Logan's best friends wrote:
He's only 10 wks
pinning him to show we're in control,
Epsecially when we're working with retrieving.
The more we praise the more excited and nippy he gets.
Help. I'm sure he's too young for an e-collar so....any advise?
When can you start using e-collars?
Have you all ever had a working dog before? A lab? First off, the dog is just 10 WEEKS old. You've had him what, 2-3 weeks? He will grow out of it and you can speed this up BUT y'all need to come to grips with what you have.
#1 - He is only 10 weeks old and it sounds like you are close to giving up on him. That may not be the case but you sound as if you are at your wits end. I understand that this can be a pain when the dog is around kids, and can even be irritating for an adult. So if the kids are getting pissed, keep the dog away from them. Definitely keep them out of the floor when he is around. If they get down on his level they think he is a littermate and the do what dogs do. As for adults, y'all should be able to deal with it. Take the advice of the others on the spray. Grab his snout and say NO in a FIRM manner. Use any trick you can find but do not scream at the PUPPY.
#2 - Pinning the dog down is a way of showing the dog who is dominant. You don't need to do that for puppy biting. Use your head here.
#3 - Don't yell at the dog. Use a firm voice. At this rate you all are going to end up with a dog that pisses himself when you get angry.
#4 - The dog is 10 weeks old, you should not be 'working' on retrieving. You should be playing with the puppy and introducing him to OBEDIENCE commands. The retrieving should be PURELY for fun. Rattle a bumper around on the ground, when he gets excited toss it a few feet away. Coax him into bringing it back to you. If he doesn't, get in a confined space where he can't get away. He'll learn that retrieving is a game, it is fun, and the fun will continue if he brings it back. If this is a time when the dog is biting, grab his snout, say NO in a firm voice, put the bumper (or whatever you're playing with) away, then put him in his kennel.
#5 - If the dog is overly spastic, don't get so excited around him. You can praise in a calm manner.
#6 - The dog is 10 weeks old..... You cannot even begin to think about an e-collar until the dog is around 6 months old.
The bottom line is that you have to realize what you have, because it sure sounds like this is your first time around. You have a dog that you want to end up being a HUNTING/WORKING retriever. With every word in your description you are talking about stuff that you are doing to this puppy that is going to do nothing but break his spirit and make him a meek dog. You want a HUNTING dog to have self-confidence and pride, you also want to develop a rapport with the dog, you want him to WANT to please you. If you start off this early dominating this dog in such an overt manner, you are going to lose all that. You also have a LAB, they can be quite energetic.
The best thing y’all can do is find a retriever training video that focuses SOLEY on puppies. Don’t get an advanced retriever training video because you don’t need it. Between now and six months of age you should do nothing but work on obedience so that the dog learns how to learn, you should let him have fun doing retrieves (because he was born to do it), you should introduce him to the water (NOT COLD WATER), and you should give him lots of love and become his best friend. Even if he goes to a pro at six months, you need to do all of this before hand. Buy a video, or a book, and learn how to handle a lab puppy.
Just my opinion…
"I'll start spending less time with my dog and more with my wife when she starts fetching ducks for me"