DuckKillinD wrote:what does every1 think about hunting him while he still dont have it right. GOOD OR BAD.
He won't retrieve a dead bird at this time, right? Unless you just want to work on his manners, I'd think twice about it. One crucial thing in dog training is helping the dog to succeed. Through your training and knowledge of the capabilities of the dog, you need to make sure that you don't knowingly put him into a situation where he will fail. If you do, make sure that you recognize that situation BEFORE you put him into it. So... don't send the dog to retrieve a bird unless you know he will do it. If you insist on sending him knowing that he probably won't retrieve it, don't get pissed at him if he doesn't.
It is the same philosophy I use with my wife!!!
You go ahead and take the dog hunting this weekend and he has yet to take to retrieving a duck. Your buddies are with you. A greenhead hovers over the dekes 15 yards out and your buddy drops him. You send your dog on the retrieve and he swims out, then refuses to retrieve the duck. You cannot help but get angry with the dog as you walk out to get the duck. Next, a drake Canvasback buzzes the dekes and your other buddy manages to wound him. The can starts swimming off and you send your dog after him. He swims the can down 150 yards later in deep water, but doesn't bring him back. Now your buddy is pissed because he was wanting to have that dude mounted and your dog didn't bring him back.
Don't take him until you KNOW he can succeed, unless of course your willing to not send him on retrieves. At least he'll learn how to behave in the blind. Same holds true on through the training process, don't send a dog on a blind retrieve that hasn't been taught how to take a cast. If you adopt this philosophy and adhere to it, both you are your dog will be happy and you both will progress and advance together.
Just my opinion...
And as for the advice on using HOLD to get the dog to take the item he should be holding, I don't agree. If you are going to FORCE Fetch (notice the emphasis) then you need to follow the program. The end result of the force fetch is not just to get the dog to take something into his mouth, it is actually the crossroads between basic retriever training and advanced retriever training. The Force Fetch, if done right and by the numbers, gives you the tools that you can then utilize to teach blind retrieves. This is the reason some (most?) pro trainers force fetch every dog they train. It isn't just reserved for the ones that refuse to pickup birds.
Study that book or video LONG AND HARD before you start. Then do it. Don't 'lighten up' because you think the dog is getting it as this will cause you more grief when you have to repeat the process. Be firm but fair with the dog. Move at a snails pace. Don't go to the next step until you are sure the one at hand is complete. If you do it fairly and thoroughly, you will be VERY happy with the results.
Again, just my opinion...
By the way, HOLD means hold. FETCH means go get it and take it in your mouth, GIVE means they can quit holding it and release it to whomever is taking it.
"I'll start spending less time with my dog and more with my wife when she starts fetching ducks for me"