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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby Griffdom » Tue May 07, 2013 9:49 pm

So their DDs get alot of work on upland birds.

The one's in the North do. Your assumption that German's are willing to travel as freely to hunt is where you go wrong. Most think we are crazy here in America for driving as far as we do to hunt. So, my statement that "most" (the one's in the 75% of Germany that has little in the way of upland hunting) DD's see more Russian Boars and Hares than pheasants still stands.

They shoot as many boar as pheasant and duck.


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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby Griffdom » Tue May 07, 2013 10:20 pm

Most think we are crazy here in America for driving as far as we do to hunt.

Noticed you did not say much about this.

'In Germany, bird hunting as we know it is almost non existent.'


A Blatant falsehood, distortion of the facts, and/ or out an out LIE.


Neither. I was just overstating to make my point. You right, I should have said " Many DD's in the 75% of Germany that has little upland hunting see more Russian boars and hares combined than upland birds."
Does that work for you?
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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby Griffdom » Tue May 07, 2013 10:55 pm

Most American's have no need for the fur sharpness.

True, most Americans are flat stupid as well. Kruschev said you can spit in an Americans eye and tell him it is Dew.


By the way, what did you mean by this? Just curious. I just did not see the connection. Having no need for fur sharpness = being stupid. I guess since Kruschev implied that most American's are stupid then it must be true. Who is the one parroting ridiculous crap?
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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby Griffdom » Tue May 07, 2013 11:04 pm

Let be honest, most Americans are flat stupid. I hope I dont have to show you videos to make my point?
But yes they own dogs and have kids and vote.


LOL!! O.K., you got me there. Please don't show videos. I enjoyed the debate...
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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby Griffdom » Tue May 07, 2013 11:09 pm

Sir Remington wrote:I always liked the look of WPGs, yet there is just something about pudelpointers that solid color with white blaze and the perfect bread. Plus I've read about them having great personalities and little shedding, right now i'm weighing DD, PP, WPG, what kind of health problems are these breeds prone too? I have not heard of many problems but would like to know the possibilities, found a kennel I like the guy and his family have great test scores on their breed stock, ton of hunting ability and they live only an hour away.

This dog will see mostly duck hunting on smaller lakes and ponds, maybe 15 days of grouse(sharps, and ruff) a year, quite a but of pheasant, little woodcock, something that has a soft enough mouth for mourning dove, never dove hunted with a dog so is that even a problem?, I assume so. Also I'm wanting to try chukars

does anyone use these dogs to run rabbit and hares, I've always wanted to try that with a dog

I live in central Minnesota so needs to handle winter ok

also how easy are the DD, PP, WPG to train, I have had experience with brittanys, labs, and a lab/chessie mix

-thanks to the guy for the pictures of pudelpointer, u have some real nice looking dogs



I apologize for getting off track. So, what other specific questions do you have about the three breeds you are looking at? I promise to avoid a debate this time. If you would like you can PM and I will give you honest feedback on what I have learned through my personal research on the WPG and PP. I talked to several breeders of each breed and may be able to save you some time if you decide to go with one of these breeds. If you decide on the DD then you will likely get a great hunting dog as well. I am sure that there are people on this forum or over at versatiledogs.com that can help you find a litter.
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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby K Locke » Wed May 08, 2013 7:44 am

Aidan K, do the world a favor and shut up. Let’s sum up your view. DDs are the world’s best dogs. Yea we all get it. All the other dogs in the world suck. I hope you understand that you sound like a complete idiot. By the way, you lost the debate with Griffdom. Also, German Wirehaired Pointers are exactly the same as DDs.
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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby crackerd » Wed May 08, 2013 7:55 am

Where's ol' buddy Hunts With Pudels when needed mostest around here?

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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby OmegaRed » Wed May 08, 2013 8:11 am

K Locke wrote:Aidan K, do the world a favor and shut up. Let’s sum up your view. DDs are the world’s best dogs. Yea we all get it. All the other dogs in the world suck. I hope you understand that you sound like a complete idiot. By the way, you lost the debate with Griffdom. Also, German Wirehaired Pointers are exactly the same as DDs.


Can't say I agree with you on that one. Similar, but much different breeding standards.
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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby ohio mike » Wed May 08, 2013 9:18 pm

Take a look at www.GermanWirehairAlliance. They will answer some of the questions about the difference between a DD and a Wirehair aside from their being the same breed dna wise.
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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby gonehuntin' » Thu May 09, 2013 6:10 am

If you were to DNA the two, genetically, they would be the same. It's the breeding program that differs so radically.
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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby OmegaRed » Thu May 09, 2013 6:37 am

gonehuntin' wrote:If you were to DNA the two, genetically, they would be the same. It's the breeding program that differs so radically.


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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby gonehuntin' » Thu May 09, 2013 7:15 am

OmegaRed wrote:
gonehuntin' wrote:If you were to DNA the two, genetically, they would be the same. It's the breeding program that differs so radically.


TNA ain't worth a ***** DNA - Ice Cube


:help: :huh:
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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby OmegaRed » Thu May 09, 2013 8:17 am

gonehuntin' wrote:
OmegaRed wrote:
gonehuntin' wrote:If you were to DNA the two, genetically, they would be the same. It's the breeding program that differs so radically.


TNA ain't worth a ***** DNA - Ice Cube


:help: :huh:


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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby Jarbo03 » Thu May 09, 2013 8:44 am

Cube has some great words of wisdom.

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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby gonehuntin' » Thu May 09, 2013 8:55 am

Where the waters get muddied is when you run a Draht in NAVHDA, they have to be registered as a GWP.
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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby Jarbo03 » Thu May 09, 2013 1:11 pm

I reckon the same would be true for the Korthals Griffon.

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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby gonehuntin' » Thu May 09, 2013 4:32 pm

Jarbo03 wrote:I reckon the same would be true for the Korthals Griffon.

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What IS a Grif registered as when run in NAVHDA?
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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby Jarbo03 » Thu May 09, 2013 5:44 pm

gonehuntin' wrote:
Jarbo03 wrote:I reckon the same would be true for the Korthals Griffon.

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What IS a Grif registered as when run in NAVHDA?

WPG. Except for a few lines where Cesky Fousek were added, DNA should be the same, I think.

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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby Griffdom » Fri May 10, 2013 10:42 am

Jarbo03 wrote:
gonehuntin' wrote:
Jarbo03 wrote:I reckon the same would be true for the Korthals Griffon.

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What IS a Grif registered as when run in NAVHDA?

WPG. Except for a few lines where Cesky Fousek were added, DNA should be the same, I think.

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Yea, some of the club (I.e., WPGCA) dogs are close to 100% cesky fousek and the club still calls them WPG's. Doesn't make since to me. I am sure that they are producing good hunting dogs, but why call them what they are not. There dogs cannot not be registered with AKC or with NAVHDA.
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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby Griffdom » Fri May 10, 2013 10:44 am

gonehuntin' wrote:
Jarbo03 wrote:I reckon the same would be true for the Korthals Griffon.

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What IS a Grif registered as when run in NAVHDA?


The Korthals Griffon and the AWPGA dogs are one and the same.
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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby Jarbo03 » Fri May 10, 2013 12:51 pm

Griffdom wrote:
Jarbo03 wrote:
gonehuntin' wrote:
Jarbo03 wrote:I reckon the same would be true for the Korthals Griffon.

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What IS a Grif registered as when run in NAVHDA?

WPG. Except for a few lines where Cesky Fousek were added, DNA should be the same, I think.

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Yea, some of the club (I.e., WPGCA) dogs are close to 100% cesky fousek and the club still calls them WPG's. Doesn't make since to me. I am sure that they are producing good hunting dogs, but why call them what they are not. There dogs cannot not be registered with AKC or with NAVHDA.



They added the Cesky to get a faster rangier dog, something the griff was designed not to be. They should have just hunted the Cesky or a GWP, plenty of dogs to fill those roles, no need in trying to change a breed.

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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby Sir Remington » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:21 pm

after a while of thinking about I think I'm going to buy a DD, thanks for all the information
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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby Duckdon » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:07 am

Sir Remington wrote:after a while of thinking about I think I'm going to buy a DD, thanks for all the information


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Re: Germany's versatile breeds

Postby chad85 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:49 pm

Don't forget the jagd terrier
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Germany's versatile breeds

Postby wpevey » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:59 pm

I know most of you guys have been discussing DD's and griffon's and they are fine dogs for sure but I wanted to throw in my GSP too. She is almost exclusively a duck dog for me. She will hold a point like a boss and ive killed both quail and dove over her but in 5 seasons of duck hunting she has retrieved almost 300 birds for me out of a boat, including geese. She will run with just about any lab ive been around.
They are just as versital a breed IMO as a DD or any other but you have to get one with the right blood lines. Too many of the GSP breeder here in america have gone straight pointer with them and watered down the versital nature of the breed IMO. My dog came from East and West Eouropean stock, alot of chezch and croation lines that were European FC's.
I love having a versatile dog, opens up alot of hunting oportunities and makes for a great companion.
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