Ok one at a time boys
The statement worlds best all around dog was just a poke back at Rick for fun.
My GSP works circles around my lab on upland birds and will go all day as long as she has water.
I do sincerely believe as far as water dogs go though labs are hard to beat.
Alright Rick my friend , once again you make a statement I have to challenge the fact is that moors are wetlands
They like all wetlands hold greater amounts water at different times of the season or weather cycles and some wetlands dry out completely during arid times.
The Etymology of the word moor means swamp in the old English and while they certainly hold grouse and other upland birds
They also hold waterfowl like the (moorhen) as well as ducks and geese .
And the info I mentioned on the cheesy is solid. I will make this my last post on the subject because It seems like your getting angry and that's not my goal, I like good debate and I enjoy learning and sharing with others, if I came across harsh or mean spirited , or a know it all , you have
my most humble apologies and I will let you have the last word.
My first point was that moors are the home of the red grouse guys like the Duke of Buccleuch were gunning in a driven
fashion (flushing work being largely the domain of spaniels) that set the pace for most of the breed's development in the UK, whether Malmesbury and others were shooting ducks over them or not. Again, a look to their Labrador trials, and testing, demonstrates the relative importance of the two. Yet, a Lab from the heart of their driven bird field/trial breeding still has the potential to make a fine water dog for the great majority of us, as well.
And you were doing fine on the Chessie's history right up until trying to credit "Lab" DNA for it. While both breeds sprang in large part from the same Newfoundland/St.John's well, the Chesapeake's share, Canton and Sailor, was bred to local dogs of varied breeding, rather than each other or others of their kind, as seems largely the case in the UK. Labs had no more role than sharing some common ancestry.
In all candor, I took your intial, "Hey, Rick" post as trying to misconstrue what I'd actually written to try to pit pointing dogs against retrievers in the water, so you could pick a "best dog" fight that's probably been going on since dogs first entered men's caves. (Who woulda thunk that whether setters or pointers were the better water dogs was, not so terribly long ago, a serious bone of contention? But at the turn of the 20th century, setter fans gave their favorites the edge for coat, and pointerites countered with accounts of their champions battling swift currents and coastal ice flows for ducks. All before general versatility gave way to our specialist oriented society, where we even feel a need to have versatile specialists, of course.) I recounted the story of our game little Westie, Bill, to illustrate that a dog needn't be "best" or even "better" to be a well worthwhile waterfowling partner, and the poke at Labs was, as stated, in fun.
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