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Oldtimers - HELP - pregnant (HR) Chessie bitch

Postby MacMan » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:18 pm

Hey folks. . . Long time no post - I retired and started traveling and the pup in discussion, Jazz, is HR titled and one that I originally posted about on DHC some years ago. Long story short! She stayed at a breeder's kennel for a couple of months while I negotiated logistics in my life and direction therein. I won't get into this story too much deeper; however, the story I posted about a few years ago regarding a tragedy that happened to our dogs that got hit by a car - it's still available, if you wish to know the WHOLE story.

Situation: Dog (Jazz) is with pups - WRONG damn time of the year firstly (heat cycles where always bad), secondly, I do not know which pup bred with my bitch. . . could be a damned Prince Charles Spaniel - OR, it could be an unregistered chessie (the PUP that survived the car wreck). I don't have the time or place to whelp a bunch of pups right now - ESPECIALLY unregistered or a bastard breed of pup. She's 7 and worthy of breeding - much too late for that I feel.

What to do? Spay and clean out the pups - birth them regardless of breeding and do and SPCA transfer of litter . . . I will have to pay someone to whelp the pups. However, I don't think I will be in a position to breed her and most likely would get my next chessie (7th or 8th) from a known breeder. Irregardless, her litter cannot be registered - brown dog or otherwise!

Bruce (never papered) potential stud and survivor of the crash:

http://www.duckhuntingchat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=121734&p=935252&hilit=Max#p935252

He's a beautiful chessie - slightly less than "real" smart, but a fairly good hunter in the field. Jaz is "balls to the wall" and could be HRCH with some finances and time.

Thoughts?

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Re - pregnant (HR) Chessie bitch

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Re: Oldtimers - HELP - pregnant (HR) Chessie bitch

Postby ohio mike » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:55 pm

Mac,Glad to hear from you. I'd let her have the pups and IF they are all Chessie sell em reasonable to good homes. Half Prince Charles,well :huh: Call em Chesarles and ask a grand,or give em away. I hate to see healthy pups destroyed
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Re: Oldtimers - HELP - pregnant (HR) Chessie bitch

Postby assateague » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:29 pm

Seems like just yesterday that accident happened. Remember, everything happens for a reason. If it were me, I'd go the pound route. Puppies are adopted out quick, and there may be 7 kids who really need a companion. You never know.
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Re: Oldtimers - HELP - pregnant (HR) Chessie bitch

Postby Indaswamp » Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:22 am

What up MAC! :hi:
I agree with Assa, but do not know if any potential health concerns with a chessie/Prince charles spaniel that you should be aware of.


BTW- did you make it to the texas coast? or are you still up on the east coast?
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Re: Oldtimers - HELP - pregnant (HR) Chessie bitch

Postby MacMan » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:22 am

Indaswamp wrote:What up MAC! :hi:
I agree with Assa, but do not know if any potential health concerns with a chessie/Prince charles spaniel that you should be aware of.


BTW- did you make it to the texas coast? or are you still up on the east coast?


Hey Bro. . . yes, I spent about 6 weeks in Houston - two lessons learned: 1) fishing Galveston Bay is still good 2) One must be a mathematician to negotiate all those freeways. LOL

I can't believe this crap happened, but yes must be for some reason or another - it'd be fairly easy if I were stationary. How are things on your end?
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Re: Oldtimers - HELP - pregnant (HR) Chessie bitch

Postby Indaswamp » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:25 am

MacMan wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:What up MAC! :hi:
I agree with Assa, but do not know if any potential health concerns with a chessie/Prince charles spaniel that you should be aware of.


BTW- did you make it to the texas coast? or are you still up on the east coast?


Hey Bro. . . yes, I spent about 6 weeks in Houston - two lessons learned: 1) fishing Galveston Bay is still good 2) One must be a mathematician to negotiate all those freeways. LOL

I can't believe this crap happened, but yes must be for some reason or another - it'd be fairly easy if I were stationary. How are things on your end?

been good...looking forward to the season. I thought you were lookin for a permanent move to the texas coast??
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Re: Oldtimers - HELP - pregnant (HR) Chessie bitch

Postby MacMan » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:41 am

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Indaswamp wrote:What up MAC! :hi:
I agree with Assa, but do not know if any potential health concerns with a chessie/Prince charles spaniel that you should be aware of.


BTW- did you make it to the texas coast? or are you still up on the east coast?


Hey Bro. . . yes, I spent about 6 weeks in Houston - two lessons learned: 1) fishing Galveston Bay is still good 2) One must be a mathematician to negotiate all those freeways. LOL

I can't believe this crap happened, but yes must be for some reason or another - it'd be fairly easy if I were stationary. How are things on your end?

been good...looking forward to the season. I thought you were lookin for a permanent move to the texas coast??


Yes, but had to come help Mom - she's just back from a broken ankle . . . Noticed swollen teats which she seemed to have every cycle - then boom, big ole belly. :sad:
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Postby Indaswamp » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:42 am

life happens I guess...sorry to hear about your mom.
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Re: Oldtimers - HELP - pregnant (HR) Chessie bitch

Postby razorback » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:29 pm

If you choose to not have the pups there are ways to do it without spaying your female. I had a similar scare not too long ago and liked into it. Fortunately we ended up not having to go down that path.
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Re: Oldtimers - HELP - pregnant (HR) Chessie bitch

Postby MacMan » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:17 pm

razorback wrote:If you choose to not have the pups there are ways to do it without spaying your female. I had a similar scare not too long ago and liked into it. Fortunately we ended up not having to go down that path.

The DVM didn't give me that option - only spay/remove pups - I've got a couple of whelping options opening up; however, I want to do what's best for my pup. She's probably the smartest chessie I've owned and 7 years old.
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Re: Oldtimers - HELP - pregnant (HR) Chessie bitch

Postby Dawnsearlylight » Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:52 am

MacMan wrote:
razorback wrote:If you choose to not have the pups there are ways to do it without spaying your female. I had a similar scare not too long ago and liked into it. Fortunately we ended up not having to go down that path.

The DVM didn't give me that option - only spay/remove pups - I've got a couple of whelping options opening up; however, I want to do what's best for my pup. She's probably the smartest chessie I've owned and 7 years old.


If she is too far along to abort the litter, I would think long and hard about the spay while pregnant option. It needs to be done by a specialist (read$$$$), and is very hard on the bitch. And whatever you choose to do, if the breeding took place at the boarding kennel, the owner would be paying the resulting bills if it was my dog.
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Re: Oldtimers - HELP - pregnant (HR) Chessie bitch

Postby MacMan » Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:42 am

Dawnsearlylight wrote:
MacMan wrote:
razorback wrote:If you choose to not have the pups there are ways to do it without spaying your female. I had a similar scare not too long ago and liked into it. Fortunately we ended up not having to go down that path.

The DVM didn't give me that option - only spay/remove pups - I've got a couple of whelping options opening up; however, I want to do what's best for my pup. She's probably the smartest chessie I've owned and 7 years old.


If she is too far along to abort the litter, I would think long and hard about the spay while pregnant option. It needs to be done by a specialist (read$$$$), and is very hard on the bitch. And whatever you choose to do, if the breeding took place at the boarding kennel, the owner would be paying the resulting bills if it was my dog.


I agree on all points - although, the breeder is my brother's girlfriend and the stud belongs to my brother. . . They were keeping my pup as a favor - me thinks they had intentions on breeding her all along. I've come to understand that she needs to have this litter and I'll do what ever I have to do to facilitate that. "time is of the essence"
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Re: Oldtimers - HELP - pregnant (HR) Chessie bitch

Postby solway gunner » Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:26 pm

hey mac been a while,not been the same on here since you and the old regular chessie men stopped posting.
sounds like jaz has been busy... thats a big slice of s~it pie youve been served,how about the breeder waring some too?incredible.i cant imagine how youd keep it all civil.

how about the breeder pays for the pups neutering and is responsible for homing of the pups ?what you gonna do for a dog in the coming season now?
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Re: Oldtimers - HELP - pregnant (HR) Chessie bitch

Postby dogyak » Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:49 pm

solway gunner wrote:hey mac been a while,not been the same on here since you and the old regular chessie men stopped posting.
sounds like jaz has been busy... thats a big slice of s~it pie youve been served,how about the breeder waring some too?incredible.i cant imagine how youd keep it all civil.

how about the breeder pays for the pups neutering and is responsible for homing of the pups ?what you gonna do for a dog in the coming season now?
no luck buddy.

So agree with gunner on this . The breeder should be held responsible :mad:
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