Bluesky2012 wrote:To clarify what im doing because it doesnt seem to be clear In another forum, I am not throwing marks in force to pile. Like I said I did some before the sessions to reinforce retrieving singles at about 20 yards or so just to boost his moral but that wasn't in the pile drills.
For force to pile I am having the dog sit at my heel, putting a pile of 4 bumpers at 10 yards, commanding back/nick/back as he runs to the pile, he picks up the bumper, runs to me, sits at my heel then I get the bumper from him. Please tell me where I am wrong instead of just saying I'm wrong. Precise critique towards what im doing would be more valuable.
And no I'm not burning him during force to pile (or atleast what I'm clearly misunderstanding as force to pile). It's a short nick between commands.
Btw thanks for the advice. Ill try the bucket, that may help. Also weirdly enough a bunch of white styrofoam from a torn up cooler or something had blown from the water on to the land we were training in and I think that had my dog distracted because it looked like a bumper. I didn't think anything of it at the time because I thought a dog would think past it but I could see how at a fast run it would be confusing.
I agree, you've gotten some excellent advice on the other forum.
Also read Gonehuntins' sticky, and although he's a retired Trialer, with--well, those "older" methods, I'm still proned to believe based from the last 3 dogs I've completely FF'd that there's still a lot that can apply from that info. Also with Evan - there's a lot of dogs that, (using too much continuous and wrong timing), can create hotspots, bannana lines and bugging.
The last three dogs I've done pilework with were initially run to a short pile with continuous once or twice, and nicked off the line a couple times but thereafter when the pile gets farther away, less of that stuff.
Most of the ultimate pressure my dogs' have seen was in initial FF' and collar conditioning. That's what it's for. When the dog leaves there he understands
pressure and what it means.
A WHOLE lot more experienced folks than me, but the fact your dog bolts, (or wants to) in Walking Fetch (to me) is a reddish colored flag of sorts.
Also believe that your dog is anticipating pressure on marks.
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