gonehuntin' wrote: CatSquirrel wrote:
Everyone seems to think the dog's kennel should be his safe haven. Bah. A dog has NO safe haven. YOU are his only safe haven.
No. Then you create a clingy dog. A confident retriever is one that can work away from you. An over dependence on you as a handler is just as bad.
That's an interesting view. I've always felt it was impossible to have a dog that is too dependent on you. The only time that would be true is if you start a dog popping. Usually when that happens, it's through imbalance in training. Each and every professionally trained dog is de-bolted. De-bolting is no different than ff or force to pile. That would be like arguing that ftp creates a dog that bolts from you. Balance. If you force him to come you have to force him to go. Balance.
These days I only run versatile pointing dogs. They're all de-bolted, they all have no safe haven but me, and they all work independently 200 yards from me. Balance.
It's not impossible to have an overly dependent dog. And popping is not the ONLY time a dog can be overly dependent.
Popping can be caused by other things than an "imbalance" in training. Perhaps our terminology is not jibing, but to me "imbalance" is an overemphasis on either blinds or marks. As we know, a dog will suffer if you overemphasize either marks or blinds.
But, popping can be caused by an over eager handler who handles too quickly on marks, a handler that applies too much pressure on blinds, or simply a dog that's used to being handled at a particular distance in pilework. That's not really an "imbalance" but more a handler error (in my terminology) that's promoted a lack of confidence.
There are other examples of an overly dependent dog.
Think about the dog who's corrected that bolts back to the handler. The "safe" place is under the handler's feet trying to escape pressure. How would a newbie deal with that? What does one do when the "safe" place isn't really a good place for a dog to be at all?
Rather than teach a dog that there's a "safe" place, I prefer to take training (particularly cc'ing) slowly and to teach the dog to have a stable response to collar pressure. (I know you do too). The dog can't escape (bolt) anywhere....Not to me, not to a crate, not under a truck, etc. This involves a lot of patience, entrenchment of skills through drills, and moving up to maintain control, but for me it pays off.
I've dealt with my share of bolting dogs....thankfully none have ever been mine.
Interesting discussion. I've enjoyed this.