swampbilly 1980 wrote:
Morphsuit wrote:Is that ok for the pup to over-run you when running hard back? Or should that be fixed?
No it's not "ok", but but you need to establish why
the dogs' doing it.
There's a big difference in a dog that's charging back to you on a return and over-runs you vs. a dog that charges back and is avoiding
coming to HEEL showing signs of reluctance.
You just need to figure out which one it is, in order to come up with the right Rx.
You didn't answer whether or not you were stepping on the dogs' feet at the line in FTP. If you overdid that you may have created your own problem there.
Only you would know.
Billy gets it, both in this post and his previous one.
IME there are several reasons for sloppy sits, and some of them are based in physical discomfort
. I once had a BNT make a total jackass out of himself at a seminar trying to correct my young male with the step on the foot deal. The fix I use will depend upon my assessment of the reason for the behavior, everything from simply stepping to the right just as the dog starts to lean into my leg and letting him tip over, to teaching a square sit in a separate context
, to taping a wire brush to the handler's left leg. Also, when I first formalize heeling and heel position on leash, I begin by placing the dog in the sit in a manner that helps him sit squarely, and I insist he sit quickly, because it takes longer for a dog to rock over.
A retrieve is a chained behavior, composed of several links. When I train, I teach, condition (repetition, not CC) and proof/perfect each link individually
before chaining begins. If a problem with one link in a chain crops up later on in training, I do not automatically assume the dog is giving me the gears; my default idea is that I have not done my job well enough and go back and re-school the problem behavior singly
before I start correcting. My rule is, the dog has to clearly understand a correction is a result of his own behavior (and thus he
is in control of whether he gets corrected or not); if he does not understand this, you will probably get a response to correction that is not the one you were looking for, especially if the "wrong" response is prompted by anxiety.
One should not
be getting failures of multiple links in a chain, and if one does, the first thing one should do is S.T.O.P and give some thought to the possibility that the fault is with the trainer, not the dog. JMHO