xxDuckWildxx wrote:Very good advice here fellas, I really value and respect all the info. I can now see light at the end of the tunnel again!
James, I think the point my friend was trying to make was that pro trainers are more prone to fast and forceful training because time and results are money. The faster they can push a dog through FF or any other training the sooner they can get on to the next dog and if they take too long they fear a bad reputation of "'milking the clock" if you will. So I could kind of see his point. My dog has bloodlines, I had him shipped in as a pup from the Midwest to here in PA. He's got talent and my buddy recognized that. I think he just feared the possibility of having a trainer ruin this dog. To say I've been completely confused for the past 15 months would be a huge understatement!
If I were to start FF at this time, it is my understanding that I will have to quit hunting and training until
FF is complete. Is this correct? Do you all agree it's best to have someone else put the dog through that training or is it best for me to do it?
In your original post you say your dog retrieves Triples to hand . I take it your pup comes out of water and does not drop the bird nor shake till delivered to hand ? Does not have a obedience problem either .
In that case there are many trainers that continue to give marks to their dogs while doing force fetch program. I see nothing wrong against doing just that if your pup has no serious retrieving faults. It is best to do the force fetching the right way. To have patients and not get upset over it. Every dog is different and there can be NO time table made. If you never force fetched a dog it might be better to have a good pro do it. But I force fetched my first dog at 18 years old and had very little instruction. It is not that hard with the right dog. You know the ones always shown on DVD's . Problem is knowing how much pressure and timing to shut the pressure off. I have seen some dogs that anyone could ff and others that it takes someone with much experience.
I am in the position to tell you send it to a pro only because I force fetch for a living ::lol:: I would be a fool to tell you to do this your self , right ?
Your friend can not be further from the truth. At least in my case , I do not rush through training to get to the next dog when I have that dog in hand. There is no point to rush through a job and then have the telephone ring telling you there is a problem with the dog retrieving ? Granted things can crop up that are not suspected. The only reason to get through ff fast is to get to the next set of drills . The more the dog can do for owner the happier they are . The happier they are they are more likely they will return and also more likely to send more work to the pro by telling friends they are happy. But rushing through to get to the next dog is Total Non seance.
Maybe you fixed your problem in part all ready in your statement of OP. But I doubt I would send said pup for a cripple on water till that is resolved on land or viewed outside a hunting situation. You do not need a future duck dog scared of cripples on water of all places. Get some live birds to work with.
If you were never going to hunt test and never going to teach your dog hand signals. Teaching hold , maybe just enough for you and your dog.There are lots of good retrievers that never were force fetched. My self I have NEVER owned a retriever of my own that was NOT force fetched . I recommend force fetch due to it is the foundation of all retriever training that follows.