Jesse Jaymes wrote:I should probably refrain from comment. My experience is nearly zero....but-
I own an 8 month old DD male. He has a health issue at this time. Never been behind a gun yet.
It's not even November and we were kicking holes in ice Tuesday morning to hunt ducks. Ice was at least 1/4". Took forever for the sun to come up with any heating BTUs.
We've had gloves and calls freezing stiff inside our layout blinds since Opener on Oct 12.
I think I chose the wrong breed. My pup has a bare belly and arm pits. His coat is not as wiry as it should be either. I fully expected him to blow a puppy coat and get a tight hard coat. Never happened.
Duckdon posts here. He has waaay more experience than I do, has a pair of DD and lives/hunts AK. He could give a more accurate side. I reside in WA/ID/BC corner. I am sure it's much colder other places and its already pretty crisp here.
Minneguy wrote:So they must be force fetched?? I've never had to do that before, is it difficult to train?
Jesse Jaymes wrote:Said dog hasn't been BEHIND a gun. Didnt say AROUND. Exposed to gunfire. Pup has been down since Sept 2. Pretty much when things open out West.
Dog has plenty of drive. I read the sticky on hypothermia and drive is exactly what will kill a dog. He has tons of drive. Nose is stellar.
Yes I've contacted breeder.
Pup was diagnosed with OCD. This is a big deal. I've attempted not to out the whole thing on the Net as I am going to major Univ Animal Science program for 2nd opinion to verify.
Vest or not, it's cold. He will get a vest if things go well. Holding off just yet. If he misses the whole season, or worse, I don't care to invest in a custom fit vest.
I've read all same material as Omega. Yes they can do it all. But I've never even shot a pheasant. I am a 90% Waterfowler. But I have the opportunity to get into all the Upland the West holds within 4 hours. I wanted a blood dog as well. That's why I made the choice. As I stated at the onset, I could be premature in judging him. Never said he wouldn't or won't sack up and break ice. But I make the human decisions and by his coat and body type I'm not sure subjecting him to those requests is the best idea.
mojo wrote:A DD will sick quietly in a blind. For a dog, it's a question of obedience training vs. breed.
A DD should do as well in cold as most labs. Mine has no issues (Northern New England, December/January conditions, ocean and larger bays).
A DD will bust through the nastiest of cover.
Drive is insane....
A DD can make an excellent family pet with proper conditioning.....my wife absolutely loves our dog. He's a total goofball, huge personality, loyal and affectionate as all heck (they do tend to be indifferent towards strangers...keep that in mind when looking at other peoples' dogs), and loves being part of the family.
If you're talking ruffed grouse, I couldn't imagine hunting them without a pointer, so that right there leads me away from a lab or springer.
mojo wrote:Another breed that might be worth looking at as you're considering springers, is the Small Musterlander (there is a large version as well). They are similar in size and even appearance to the springer, but they are pointers.
I have not hunted over one, but from what I've heard and read, they have a more springer-like disposition for family and training than something like a DD. I'm pushing my buddy to get one as he wants a smaller breed and something good with his kids, but that will still point grouse.
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