L.Watson1 wrote:Sorry , Yes it was and Thank you , I am very curious as to the cost , I have one f yellow lab that weighs about 55 lbs but she is only 9 months and is being trained by my father. I am currently out of the United States for several months due to bizz.
So i will not be able to start this for several months , maybe i can learn as much as possible and feed my pup as efficiently as possible I do agree dogs are carnivores , it all makes sense to me. Could the left over met from say a field dress deer be used in this diet ? Also if I had a feeder steer butchered and ask for the non-human grade meat could that be ok ? Say I couldn't feed raw year-round , in the winter say every other day could my pup have a select piece or meat or bone with her kibble just to add in those extra nutrients for the winter ? I was feeding pro plan sport to my lab but then someone said it had 3 big fillers in it ? I fed diamond before and both were good for thr pup, i had her on diamond. which is better? I know these are prob very simple questions but If i do start this with my pup I do want her to be better off.
I love answering questions but I am sorry for the length, I can't write short answers! lol
I get most of my meat for the entire year from deer season! I rarely have had to buy meat for Brody(my lab). He knows the word deer haha he loves it. When we get a deer I bring a few coolers to pack the liver, kidney, heart and lungs in one and the stomach in the other. I use scented garbage bags to put in the organs in, helps with the stomach smell to lol. Deer have ruminate stomachs that are really really good for your dog. You can look up all the amazing benefits of raw green tripe. I send out the word that I'll take a deer that someone doesn't have room for or doesn't want to mess with and they call all the time. I actually just went and got a buck today. They only wanted the back straps. I stripped the meat off the shoulder, hindquarters and legs; then took the ribs, tail and neck as raw meaty bones(RMB). I don't like deer leg bones, they might be fine but I feel like they could splinter. I got about 70 lbs from this deer. It is recommended to let the meat freeze for two.weeks before giving it to your dog. This is to prevent parasites and I do it just to be safe. I vacuum seal it by the lb(2 lbs per bag because Brody eats two pounds a day). I try to leave the chunks of meat as big as possible but I have bags of just scraps too. If you feed completely raw it's important to make sure you balance muscle, rmb and organs. Im looking to find a wholesaler for turkey necks to add some protein source variety.
If you want to feed raw one day and kibble the next or something similar, watch your dogs stool. As long as it isn't loose for more than a week she should be doing fine on it. If it is loose the problem could be that kibble and meat are digested differently and at different speeds. You might have to pick one or the other to feed during one period. Brody gets meat every day but in the rare occasion he gets kibble, he refuses to eat it or eats very little(doesn't bother me because I know why he's not eating it. Sometimes Ill leave the morning portion out all day and not give him meat for supper and by bed time he eats all the kibble). Just a heads up, they can get spoiled to raw haha.
Beef not fit for humans is usually still good for dogs. Healthy dogs have immunities to salmonella, I still wash possibly contaminated meat in cold water. They also usually don't mind to eat unsavory cuts of meat. Be sure you keep the stomach, liver, kidney, heart, and lungs from a steer! Its hard to get a good supply of these, especial stomach and cattle have such large organs, its a huge bonus.
Before I start on kibble, just know that I fed these kinds of foods up until a year ago. I am a convert to. I absolutely loved learning what was best for my dog. I did have some guilt for the crap I fed him for the first year of his life and also guilt for my previous dogs that I believed had a shorter life because of the food I gave them. Its not our fault though. Society has been lead to believe this food is healthy. But it is not too late! Thank you for being concerned about your dogs nutrition!
Pro-plan sport 30/20 ingredients
Chicken, corn gluten meal, brewers rice, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), poultry by-product meal (natural source of glucosamine), whole grain corn, corn germ meal, fish meal (natural source of glucosamine), animal digest, fish oil, dried egg product, salt, calcium carbonate, potassium chloride, calcium phosphate, Vitamin E supplement, choline chloride, L-Lysine monohydrochloride, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, niacin, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, garlic oil, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite.
The first ingredient is good, after that its all down hill. Most dog nutritionist(nutritionist not vets or nutritionists who get their pay check from a dog food company) do not support any grains in a canine diet. Grains are considered fillers because they are not digestable by dogs. This food gets the worst one right off the bat, corn, followed by rice. Not good. Then we get to a disturbing one, "animal fat". What kind of animal? It actually could be someone family pet. We also have by-products, yuck. They are code for everything on the floor of a meat factory swept up and boiled down until it really has no nutritional value. Contrary to what they would have us believe, there are very few regulations of dog food. They can put almost anything in there and as long as it doesn't kill anyone its ok. And that is if it doesn't kill anyone immediately, if it takes a while its legal. Also, the shear number of ingredients is very concerning more ingredients means more probability of unhealthy dyes, hormones, preservatives, etc.
I don't know what Diamond formula you used but here are their two main ones.
Diamond natural Large breed ingredients
Lamb meal, ground rice, cracked pearled barley, millet, egg product, rice bran, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), dried plain beet pulp, flaxseed, natural flavor, fish meal, potassium chloride, salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, glucosamine hydrochloride, L-Carnitine, vitamin E supplement, chondroitin sulfate, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, manganese proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.
This is about the same quality as PP. It still has rice, but no corn, by-products, or unknown meat in this one but the first ingredient is lamb meal. Meal is okay as a second ingredient but not a first. This product does not provide any meat as a main ingredient. Also a concern in number of ingredients, more preservatives and artificial chemicals.
Diamond Grain Free chicken ingredients
Chicken, chicken meal, sweet potatoes, peas, garbanzo beans, potatoes, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), tomato pomace, natural flavor, fish meal, flaxseed, salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, yucca schidigera extract, tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried Trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation extract, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin (vitamin B2), vitamin D supplement, folic acid.
This food is the grain free version of Diamond. It is better than both the other options. Meat in the first ingredient, meat meal as the second. No grain, by-products, or unknown meat. Still alot of ingredients and preservatives. Still not as good as raw meat. This is similar to the kibble I would use if I had to, Fromm4star. Another amazing kibble is grain free Merrick. Merrick is pricey but one of the (or the) best kibbles.