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Heel!!!!!

Postby Blackmallard40 » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:03 pm

My pup will not heel nor walk beside me at all on a leash. He is 8 weeks, any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby Dakota Creek » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:43 pm

HE'S 8 WEEKS OLD FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!!

What were you expecting ... Multiple marks and land and water blinds???????

Your pup is a baby and is still trying to figure out where he / she lives, who the heck you are and what the heck a leash is!!!

Let your pup be a pup ... You will have lots of time to train!
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby Rutin » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:58 pm

Don't worry about crap like that at this age.... let him be a puppy and make EVERYTHING fun!!!! Let him get older before he starts work! Would you send your 3 month old kid to Mc D's to run the register???
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby Jake88 » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:08 pm

Patience grasshopper
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby LaRedneck » Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:01 pm

You have to mean 8 months :huh:
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby Labs » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:38 am

Blackmallard40 wrote:My pup will not heel nor walk beside me at all on a leash. He is 8 weeks, any help would be greatly appreciated!


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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby i_willie12 » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:13 am

Dakota Creek wrote:HE'S 8 WEEKS OLD FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!!

What were you expecting ... Multiple marks and land and water blinds???????

Your pup is a baby and is still trying to figure out where he / she lives, who the heck you are and what the heck a leash is!!!

Let your pup be a pup ... You will have lots of time to train!


I think this is exactly what i would have typed!!! Your dog is 64 days old!!! :eek:
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby go get the bird » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:35 am

Bad genetics. It should be heeling as soon as it's walking. And fetching swans. :sarcmark:
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby hankyorke » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:09 am

Please give your dog back to the pet shop you bought it from.
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby O.D.Lid » Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:59 pm

school starts @ 4 months for me until then only no and DON'T pee in the house!!! :beer:
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby SC_YellowDawg » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:13 pm

Like these fellers said, it's a young dog give em time...

That being said, I started clicker training with mine when he was that young and eventually applied it to walking on a loose leash. All about reinforcing the behaviors you want and ignoring or simply saying NO to the bad things. Had him walking without pulling everywhere by 3mo old. By no means at a solid heel, but not pulling my arm off everywhere we go either. Works for me if we're just goin for a walk for down the street. (I am working on heel as well, but I think they are two different things)
Trick I used is to have a ZERO tolerance policy to pulling...if the dog starts pulling stop in your tracks turn around or just completely change directions. Then call the dog back towards you in an excited voice. They must learn pulling doesn't help them get somewhere faster. When they start moving toward you praise them(click and give a treat if you go that route) and continue walking in that direction with their feet behind yours. Don't let the get out in front. Every few steps they stay in the correct position, with the leash slack, praise (or click and treat). Gradually fade the frequency of the praise/clicks/treats as you introduce a command word. I use "walk". These days when he's doing it right he gets "goooood walk" maybe a click and treat every now and then. When he decides to pull, I stop tell him "WALK" in a deep stern voice --not yelling-- and wait for him to come back towards me say "goooood walk" then go back moving. Don't ever let them get out in front and lead the walk. They must learn the only way they get to walk with you is calmly by your side, not in front or pullin or anything. You'll find yourself stopping a lot at first, maybe 25 times in 10 yards but they will get better. And quickly catch on the clicker training.
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby ScaupHunter » Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:07 am

Seriously? Spend the money and get a good puppy training video. Once you move past that age, buy a training video series and stick to it!
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby swampbilly 1980 » Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:59 am

You guys are relentless :yes: :lol3:

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Lest we not forget though, that there's nuthin' in the world wrong with getting pup on a leash and going for walks- to begin teaching and/or conditioning pup to at least walk at a HEEL position, and get the biting and resisting the lead out of the way.
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby Dakota Creek » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:41 pm

swampbilly 1980 wrote:You guys are relentless :yes: :lol3:

Blackmallard will never post here again:


Okay .... You are probably right and I apologize for jumping in with BOTH feet .... But new pup owners need to remember that as much raw talent as these wonderful dogs are born with, they still need to acclimatize to their new people and environment and be given the opportunity to BE A PUPPY particularly at 8 weeks old.

It seems so many people are trying to set a timeline for their dog's achievements (must have it's HRCH by the time it's two, etc). It is one thing for an experienced handler to set these kind on goals, but can be very detrimental for a first time trainer to get into this mind set unless they have a good mentor or club support system to aid in the training. I could be wrong, but from the OP's question it did not sound like this was the case and I hope they take their time in training this pup.

It was a long day and I had just finished one of those "so I just picked up my new pup and was thinking I should be able to hunt it when the season opens in two months, right?" telephone conversations .... :no:

Sorry Blackmallard ......
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby swampbilly 1980 » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:12 pm

Dakota Creek wrote:
swampbilly 1980 wrote:You guys are relentless :yes: :lol3:

Blackmallard will never post here again:


Okay .... You are probably right and I apologize for jumping in with BOTH feet .... But new pup owners need to remember that as much raw talent as these wonderful dogs are born with, they still need to acclimatize to their new people and environment and be given the opportunity to BE A PUPPY particularly at 8 weeks old.

It seems so many people are trying to set a timeline for their dog's achievements (must have it's HRCH by the time it's two, etc). It is one thing for an experienced handler to set these kind on goals, but can be very detrimental for a first time trainer to get into this mind set unless they have a good mentor or club support system to aid in the training. I could be wrong, but from the OP's question it did not sound like this was the case and I hope they take their time in training this pup.

It was a long day and I had just finished one of those "so I just picked up my new pup and was thinking I should be able to hunt it when the season opens in two months, right?" telephone conversations .... :no:

Sorry Blackmallard ......

Nah, 'Dakota, wasn't alluding to anyone having too much a "heavy hand" (even if you thot it may have been), but was glad to see everyone supporting one another.
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby copterdoc » Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:04 pm

I can't stand it any longer.

Allude vs. elude
Elude means to evade or escape from. Allude means to make indirect reference. For example, if say, “I’d love to visit New Orleans, but preferably not in early September,” you might infer that I’m alluding to Hurricane Katrina, which took place in early September.

Similar distinctions apply to these words’ derivatives. Elusion and allusion are sometimes confused, and illusion is in the mix as well.

Examples

Just for fun, let’s look at two examples of allude and elude used in place of each other:

Wright is barely able to allude the tag of Cervelli as he somehow slides in safely headfirst. [NJ.com]

Seeming to elude to the canceled tour, Brown wrote “U ever feel like the storm clouds are too thick for any sunshine to get through?” on Twitter Tuesday. [Examiner.com]

These writers use allude correctly:

The dark-haired woman in “Plumb,” clothed in a faceted, crosshatch pattern that seems to allude to Jasper Johns, has a sleek, black nose that resembles carved marble. [NYT]

The promo has previously been slammed after it appeared to allude to the abusive relationship Rihanna had with her former boyfriend, Chris Brown. [New Zealand Herald]

And these writers use elude well:

After all, he had to elude hundreds of zombie-like creatures who relentlessly pursued his character and five other survivors, who ended up taking refuge together in an old house. [My San Antonio]

Second Wimbledon title to elude Maria Sharapova [bettor.com]
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby FFT » Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:17 pm

If your tone is poor towards the pup you may end up with a defiant dog. Good boy, cheering, praise, and treats on a recall command are a good start.

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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby swampbilly 1980 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:05 am

copterdoc wrote:I can't stand it any longer.

Allude vs. elude
Elude means to evade or escape from. Allude means to make indirect reference. For example, if say, “I’d love to visit New Orleans, but preferably not in early September,” you might infer that I’m alluding to Hurricane Katrina, which took place in early September.

Similar distinctions apply to these words’ derivatives. Elusion and allusion are sometimes confused, and illusion is in the mix as well.

Examples

Just for fun, let’s look at two examples of allude and elude used in place of each other:

Wright is barely able to allude the tag of Cervelli as he somehow slides in safely headfirst. [NJ.com]

Seeming to elude to the canceled tour, Brown wrote “U ever feel like the storm clouds are too thick for any sunshine to get through?” on Twitter Tuesday. [Examiner.com]

These writers use allude correctly:

The dark-haired woman in “Plumb,” clothed in a faceted, crosshatch pattern that seems to allude to Jasper Johns, has a sleek, black nose that resembles carved marble. [NYT]

The promo has previously been slammed after it appeared to allude to the abusive relationship Rihanna had with her former boyfriend, Chris Brown. [New Zealand Herald]

And these writers use elude well:

After all, he had to elude hundreds of zombie-like creatures who relentlessly pursued his character and five other survivors, who ended up taking refuge together in an old house. [My San Antonio]

Second Wimbledon title to elude Maria Sharapova [bettor.com]

The purpose of this post has eluded me :lol3: :hi:
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby LaRedneck » Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:35 pm

I'm elluding myself from this thread
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby Tera Lanczak » Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:09 pm

go get the bird wrote:Bad genetics. It should be heeling as soon as it's walking. And fetching swans. :sarcmark:


Love the humor here.

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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby Blackmallard40 » Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:16 am

Thanks for bashing me guys however this is my first lab. I have never owned a lab and was wanting tips not tongue lashings. I appreciate some of you guys being positive. For the smart butts I assume you have world champion dogs. Not everyone starts out like you guys. I won't ask for advice here anymore. The dog forum on this site is absolutely ridiculous.
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby Dakota Creek » Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:10 pm

Blackmallard40 wrote:Thanks for bashing me guys however this is my first lab. I have never owned a lab and was wanting tips not tongue lashings. I appreciate some of you guys being positive. For the smart butts I assume you have world champion dogs. Not everyone starts out like you guys. I won't ask for advice here anymore. The dog forum on this site is absolutely ridiculous.


Blackmallard .... I said it earlier in this thread and will say it again ... I am sorry for being the first to jump and be a "smart butt"!

If you have been around this game as long as I have, you hear people stating my pup doesn't do this or that at an extremely young age, and the tendancy is to say "You've got to be kidding!!!!!" There are new puppy owners out there who have VERY unrealistic expectations (particularly for a first time owner) of their new pup.

Your biggest concern right now with your new pup is let him / her be a pup. Socialize the heck out of them ..... new people, new places (carefully until they have their full range of puppy vaccines), puppy bumpers or paint rollers to retrieve, sit training with a gentle push down on their butt and you can Introduce the idea of a leash ... let them drag it around behind them! What should be of most concern is that at this age with any of the things you do with your pup make it FUN!!

There is a lot of information on this site ..... sometimes you need to shift through to get the information you are looking for, but give it another chance!
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby Blackmallard40 » Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:07 pm

Dakota Creek wrote:
Blackmallard40 wrote:Thanks for bashing me guys however this is my first lab. I have never owned a lab and was wanting tips not tongue lashings. I appreciate some of you guys being positive. For the smart butts I assume you have world champion dogs. Not everyone starts out like you guys. I won't ask for advice here anymore. The dog forum on this site is absolutely ridiculous.


I wasn't implying to you sir. Thank you for being nice in the thread

Blackmallard .... I said it earlier in this thread and will say it again ... I am sorry for being the first to jump and be a "smart butt"!

If you have been around this game as long as I have, you hear people stating my pup doesn't do this or that at an extremely young age, and the tendancy is to say "You've got to be kidding!!!!!" There are new puppy owners out there who have VERY unrealistic expectations (particularly for a first time owner) of their new pup.

Your biggest concern right now with your new pup is let him / her be a pup. Socialize the heck out of them ..... new people, new places (carefully until they have their full range of puppy vaccines), puppy bumpers or paint rollers to retrieve, sit training with a gentle push down on their butt and you can Introduce the idea of a leash ... let them drag it around behind them! What should be of most concern is that at this age with any of the things you do with your pup make it FUN!!

There is a lot of information on this site ..... sometimes you need to shift through to get the information you are looking for, but give it another chance!
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby HNTFSH » Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:22 pm

Blackmallard40 wrote:Thanks for bashing me guys however this is my first lab. I have never owned a lab and was wanting tips not tongue lashings. I appreciate some of you guys being positive. For the smart butts I assume you have world champion dogs. Not everyone starts out like you guys. I won't ask for advice here anymore. The dog forum on this site is absolutely ridiculous.


Quit being a victim. You can get a free puppy training book at any pet store. Learning absolutely nothing before getting your pup is nobody's fault but yours. Take responsibility for training your new pup.

Man up. Good luck.
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Re: Heel!!!!!

Postby Blackmallard40 » Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:12 pm

HNTFSH wrote:
Blackmallard40 wrote:Thanks for bashing me guys however this is my first lab. I have never owned a lab and was wanting tips not tongue lashings. I appreciate some of you guys being positive. For the smart butts I assume you have world champion dogs. Not everyone starts out like you guys. I won't ask for advice here anymore. The dog forum on this site is absolutely ridiculous.


Quit being a victim. You can get a free puppy training book at any pet store. Learning absolutely nothing before getting your pup is nobody's fault but yours. Take responsibility for training your new pup.

Man up. Good luck.

I am a man and if you don't have anything nice to say or advice about my question with out being a jack @$$ get the F off the thread. Its guys like you who make good sites like this bad. Asking for advice has nothing to do with my manhood chief. What do you think a thread is for?
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