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New Dog

Postby Flatire » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:39 am

I have a lab that I hunt with and she is only 8 but is quickly developing arthritis. She still want to do it all but I can't stand seeing her hobble around at the end of a hunt. I am thinking it is time to bring in some fresh paws and let my girl enjoy not having to do it all. The problem is the wife wants to go smaller on the size of our dogs. Is there a breed or two that are good water dogs that are substantially smaller in size the the labs.
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Re: New Dog

Postby don novicki » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:47 am

Nova Scotia duck Toller or Boykin Spaniel. Substantially smaller but big hearts......
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Re: New Dog

Postby buckmeister » Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:43 pm

You can find plenty of small labs from "field lines" that are 45-50lbs. My female lab is about 45lbs. :thumbsup:
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Re: New Dog

Postby GooseDog79 » Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:59 pm

I've seen some pretty impressive boykins
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Re: New Dog

Postby krazybronco2 » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:29 pm

buckmeister wrote:You can find plenty of small labs from "field lines" that are 45-50lbs. My female lab is about 45lbs. :thumbsup:


I have to agree with this and nothing against the boykin owners but I have seen quite a few boykins in the less than a year I have been in the hunt test world and their water attitude is just not the same as the labs I have watched. here is an example midlands test watched 20 labs run a finished test and the test was running right around 12 mins the one boykin that ran took almost 20mins and this was in a stick pond with fairly short marks (longest being around 100yrds) also I marshaled started on Sunday and there were 18 dogs and 10-12 were boykins the rest were labs and 1 poodle the labs went flying off the shore for each mark only about 3-4 boykins hit the water as hard as the labs. I say this saying not all labs hit the water hard either but just my observation from watching tests for the last spring and fall. will say you put a boykin on land and you will have a little brown dog that is a rocket and will not slow down until it finds a bird.

also nothing against the boykins but just wanted to state my observations.
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Re: New Dog

Postby Flatire » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:19 am

I will definitely check out the Boykins. I am not sure if ever seen an adult lab under 55-60lbs and most are closer to 70. Where would you find a smaller one? Are there people breeding for the smaller stature or is it more of a runt of the liter thing?
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Re: New Dog

Postby B.E.Nelli » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:38 am

Female pointing labs...mine will be LUCKY to break 50 lbs. Haha, she's a tiny ball of fire!
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Re: New Dog

Postby brsutton86 » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:50 am

My lab is 54 lbs. She came from field trial lines on both sides. I wasn't looking for a small lab, but it is nice for the small boat ins. If you look hard you can find smaller labs from great lines.
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Re: New Dog

Postby jerdogg » Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:00 pm

I have a male black lab about a year old and is no more then 65lbs. Will fill out but won't gain too much more. He is from British field lines on both sides.
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Re: New Dog

Postby buckmeister » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:08 pm

Just look for liters that have females around 50lbs. and under and males about 65lbs. Usually a small female determines the size of the litter. Duck hill kennels purposely breeds some smaller labs they call canoe labs, check them out.
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Re: New Dog

Postby Flatire » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:53 pm

will look around and see what I can find, thank you all
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Re: New Dog

Postby brsutton86 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:08 am

In case you haven't heard, look on retreivingtraining.net. There's a gundog classifieds section. Lots of good lines on there.
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Re: New Dog

Postby Flatire » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:12 am

brsutton86 wrote:In case you haven't heard, look on retreivingtraining.net. There's a gundog classifieds section. Lots of good lines on there.

I didn't know that thank you, I will give it a look
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Re: New Dog

Postby brsutton86 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:10 pm

Sorry retriever not retreiving. This is easier....

http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/

And if you don't find what your looking for ask around on there. Its a huge dog forum with lots of trainers/breeders both pro and amatuer.
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Re: New Dog

Postby The Red Zone » Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:21 pm

I've seen guys with springer spaniels also my friend has a wired hair pointer that's like 50lbs
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Re: New Dog

Postby 2dogs1949 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:33 pm

Chck out American Water Spaniels. Mine does it all. Ducks and upland, doesn't matter. A little bigger than a Boykin.
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Re: New Dog

Postby Griffdom » Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:01 pm

You can find some griffon's that are smaller in size, say 45-50 lbs. They generally have a very strong drive to retrieve. They usually aren't going to belly flop into the water like some labs, but they are steady workers willing to get the job done. You also get the added benefit of having a pointer in the uplands and they shed much less than a lab. If interested, PM and we can talk breeders.
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