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Upland lab?

Postby Max4Holly » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:04 pm

Have a deposit on a dog out of pointing lines due in December, obviously want the dog to be steady in the duck blind obviously but also want to pheasant hunt as well...my question is will letting the dog haul ass after a pheasant or quail after it flushes and is shot, affect the dog being steady when duck hunting??? Anybody have experience with this?
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Re: Upland lab?

Postby hankyorke » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:11 pm

Steady/Sit at flush is often debated.
I train it because I don't want my dog in danger if a bird flushes low.
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Re: Upland lab?

Postby cn44 » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:58 pm

To answer your question, no. Get a solid OB foundation and the dog should obey the sit command. They know the difference of what you're hunting. It will take a season or few but they know.

I too however train for steady to flush.
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Re: Upland lab?

Postby Labs » Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:06 am

I know the pointing lines sound all sexy, but make sure you have done your homework. Many of the guys that are doing the pointing stuff, have bred for the point, and all the other stuff tends to take a back seat...like marking. I know this is a blanket statement, and there are some very good lines out there, but you will want to make sure the sire and dam have titles in multiple venues, not just the APLA...

On the steadiness question...I have two labs that I guide with in SoDak. We don't steady them to the flush, because usually we have a bunch of guys that don't shoot the best...crippling birds, so it is critical to have your dogs out on those birds as quickly as possible. We also want to keep the whistles to a minimum, so a quick "no here" on the hens is all you need.

If you train for steadiness and run your dogs in the hunt test venues, you shouldn't have any problem switching back and forth between the upland and the marsh....check out NAHRA, they are the best testing program for producing an all around hunting dog...They are tested in how they quarter a field, and at the higher levels, must be steady to flush and shot...

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Re: Upland lab?

Postby TX&MOJames » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:38 am

I have a two year old female pointing lab and successfully hunt her for waterfowl as well as upland (primarily pheasant and quail). If you follow a training program and build on the basic OB you will not have a problem. As said before Sit means sit, my girls butt will not leave the ground until I send her.

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Re: Upland lab?

Postby Max4Holly » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:54 am

I did my homework as well, sire is a gmpr as well as mh
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Re: Upland lab?

Postby i_willie12 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:08 am

cn44 wrote:To answer your question, no. Get a solid OB foundation and the dog should obey the sit command. They know the difference of what you're hunting.


This^^ they are 2 different worlds and the dogs learn the difference
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Re: Upland lab?

Postby younggun6632 » Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:19 am

Labs wrote:I know the pointing lines sound all sexy, but make sure you have done your homework. Many of the guys that are doing the pointing stuff, have bred for the point, and all the other stuff tends to take a back seat...like marking. I know this is a blanket statement, and there are some very good lines out there, but you will want to make sure the sire and dam have titles in multiple venues, not just the APLA...

On the steadiness question...I have two labs that I guide with in SoDak. We don't steady them to the flush, because usually we have a bunch of guys that don't shoot the best...crippling birds, so it is critical to have your dogs out on those birds as quickly as possible. We also want to keep the whistles to a minimum, so a quick "no here" on the hens is all you need.

If you train for steadiness and run your dogs in the hunt test venues, you shouldn't have any problem switching back and forth between the upland and the marsh....check out NAHRA, they are the best testing program for producing an all around hunting dog...They are tested in how they quarter a field, and at the higher levels, must be steady to flush and shot...

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Pointing labs are tested on marking and if the parents are titled to multiple GMPR I would consider that proof of marking ability. The APLA mater test is conceptually tougher than a SH test (marks up to 100 yards, blind in contention with marks, blinds under the arc of marks) and if the dog is a 3x or 4x GMPR I believe this to be equal or superior to a SH title. That being said the vast majority of studs sport advanced titles in HRC and/or AKC.

To the OP I have a MPR HR JH YLM that will be 2 in Dec. they definitely know the difference between the duck blind and the pheasant field. OB is crucial and I highly suggest that train steady to wing and shot for safety reasons and steady to wing, shot, and fall if you plan on running APLA.

Just out of curiosity what breeder or lines are you getting your pup from? Parents?
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Re: Upland lab?

Postby Max4Holly » Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:35 pm

Sire is 4xGMPR Bo Knows High Caliber MH
Dam is a Daughter of NAFC Grady and a QAA female of NFC Patton,
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Re: Upland lab?

Postby younggun6632 » Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:14 pm

Max4Holly wrote:Sire is 4xGMPR Bo Knows High Caliber MH
Dam is a Daughter of NAFC Grady and a QAA female of NFC Patton,


Ain't nothing wrong with that. Good luck with your puppy. Where are you from? Are you apart of any AKC or HRC clubs?
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Re: Upland lab?

Postby ScaupHunter » Sat Nov 16, 2013 8:52 pm

Train sit to flush. Bella wanted to bolt after upland birds even when I missed them. Sit to flush fixed that.
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Re: Upland lab?

Postby Griffdom » Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:27 pm

ScaupHunter wrote:Train sit to flush. Bella wanted to bolt after upland birds even when I missed them. Sit to flush fixed that.


If the dog truly has pointing instinct then just train it like you would a versatile. No need to sit to flush. Just train to not move its feet after establishing point. This takes more work then it sounds and is accomplished through several steps. Train your pointing lab for waterfowl like you would any other lab and train it for upland like you would a pointing dog.
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Re: Upland lab?

Postby Labs » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:06 pm

Max4Holly wrote:Sire is 4xGMPR Bo Knows High Caliber MH
Dam is a Daughter of NAFC Grady and a QAA female of NFC Patton,


That looks to be a nice pairing...does the dam have any hunt test titles? Don't be discouraged if the pup doesn't point, however....
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Re: Upland lab?

Postby Dakotadog72 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:03 pm

I'm on my second pointing lab. Here are my opinions.

- both are outstanding retreivers. Great waterfowl and upland dogs. If you are looking for a shorthair like pointer, you will be dissappointed. My newest dog has a stronger point than the my first lab, but nothing like a pointer. I guess since I mostly waterfowl hunt it doesn't matter to me. Btw...my lab will be a pointing lab and the next after that. My two cents.
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Re: Upland lab?

Postby Dakotadog72 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:05 pm

Max4Holly wrote:Sire is 4xGMPR Bo Knows High Caliber MH
Dam is a Daughter of NAFC Grady and a QAA female of NFC Patton,


My FBL is from the High Caliber line. I've been happy so far.

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