B.E.Nelli wrote:Ok, so what do you do when the last two emails from the trainer say this??
"FF is going extremely slow. She is a super hard headed stubborn female. I hope she will be done by mid Dec. Even is close we may send her home so you can hunt and show you how to correct BUT we dont want you getting into battles with her either... Sorry about no picture yet, yes this time of year is tough in timing. I will try next week... "
" She is stubborn and has low trainability. We will see how far she is at that time and make a decision then. They can turn a corner fast when they decide to give up"
What do you say to that!? After spending so much money on a great pedigree and showing so much promise up front, this is a tough pill for me to swallow. I know he is a stand up guy, and is one of the top trainers in my entire state. The thousands of reviews speak for themselves. So I trust his expertise.
What would y'all do?
j towne wrote: The trainer had the nerve to tell people in the gallery that Thor would have been a good dog if I didnt screw him up.
berudd wrote:Not sure there's enough info about the dog, the trainer or the situation to say for sure. And I've never sent a dog to a trainer so I lack that insight. But I wonder what things they are trying to teach her to do that she not picking up on and if those are things you'll actually need your dog to do. Are you planning to run her in trials and they are prepping her for that? OK, maybe that won't be her bag. If your plan is just to hunt her are you sure she needs the skills they are trying to teach. I'm no expert but simply from reading what is required from some levels of trials and hunt tests I think you can have a great hunter without that level of training. Basic obedience, steady to shot, mark the bird, return it to hand gets you through most hunting situations. Some basic casting over and back is good and if the dog had a good nose she'll figure it out. My dog is just over a year and a half old and I've sent her into some dense cover to find birds. The nose went to work and she came out with the birds. I'll take that over the high level (and very impressive) skills that trails dogs are capable off. The FF stuff is something that is always debated I guess. I tried, briefly, with my first lab and could not get the hang of it. But she quickly showed me that she planned to pick up anything I present her with so I figured why bother. I few sessions of 'HOLD' and she understand what I wanted. I tried harder with my current Lab. I'm not sure if it helped or not. She tends to hold a little loosely which I am sure FF is supposed to fix so we do a little more practice in that regard but again she has never refused to pick up a bird or dummy. Her first dove was an odd experience because it was very much alive and she dropped it twice but did pick it up each time on command.
So I guess what I'm is I'd just re-evaluate the situation and make sure it is right for me and the dog. Do I want or need what they trainer is trying to provide? Also, he may be a great trainer but maybe he's the wrong one for her.
buckmeister wrote:It amazes me people judge a dog by the way it handles its ear being pinched or not carrying a bumper at heel. If a dog has a desire to retrieve it can be a hunting dog. My female lab was a horrendous pain going through hold training the field trial way. Just because your dog does not fit into the cookie cutter mold of field trial trainers does not mean it cant be a perfectly fine hunting dog. I guarantee your trainer would hate to train my female lab but she will get your birds for you all day long.
If it was my dog and I could see that the dog had retrieving desire I would not worry about it. Get the dog back, to hell with force fetch. Break the dog in correctly to gun fire and make sure she will pick up dead birds and then the most important step.
find a good farm pond to hunt where you can knock down some mallard in front of her, its the best training there is and you will end up with a duck dog.
Rick Hall wrote:I've not read the whole thread, but more than a few "pros" are only capable when a dog happens to be pliable to a narrow set of methods. The dog may yet shine in other hands.
buckmeister wrote:hold training the field trial way.
Dakota Creek wrote:IMO for a dog going in to a pro to finish obedience, CC and FF and she hasn't been there quite three months yet is not a long period of time. FF can be a tough process to work through on some dogs. As some have mentioned, some dogs breeze through it, but with most dogs I have seen it takes "some" work to ensure the dog grasps the process and FF is truly completed.
Most pros will not take a dog in for less than three months - they need to see where the dog is in training, the dog needs to adjust to their new surroundings and who is now acting as their trainer and then by the time it gets to the third month they are working together.
It sounds like the pro is giving you an honest evaluation. Are you going to be home soon to hunt her in the next month or two? If not, I would leave her with the pro for another month and re-evaluate at that time. She may just need that extra bit of time for the light to go on. If you pulled her from the pro ... Do you have another pro to send her to and even if you did, they would need a week or two to reevaluate and start to work with the dog. Or would the dog go home and not be worked and potentially setback on the training level already reached with the pro?
Only you can make that call. If it were me, I think I would bite the bullet and leave her for another month and reevaluate at that point.
B.E.Nelli wrote:...considering the literally hundreds of reviews of his work I have read that were ALL raving about him...
Rick Hall wrote:B.E.Nelli wrote:...considering the literally hundreds of reviews of his work I have read that were ALL raving about him...
Wow, I don't think I could find hundreds of written rave reviews on Lardy or Farmer, your man must be something. Wonder you could get a dog placed with him.
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