wraithen wrote:You may have have a point HNT. It's just a bit overwhelming when the first discovered is 1q0 and then the FF part is 80 and the one that teaches a bunch of other drills is another 80. If you do that for four different programs it adds up. The "holes" I've seen is there isn't much in the way of troubleshooting and I don't see many of the dogs he shows being slow or stubborn. I'm new so I'm expecting quite a few issues from not knowing better. I do agree that more training is better so the dog and I can work as a team for blinds and casting and such but I didn't want to start out with all of that in mind. I'll have 18 months is to work with this dog before hunting but I doubt I will get that far in that amount of time. If I get a dog to masters level in 2 years I'll make my own training videos just for newbies lol.
I hear ya. They have lotsa holes but not typically in terms of drills and progression but rather the stuff that counts, otherwise. I see a lot of 'program posts' whereby Joe is following the DVD almost like assembly instructions and gets so caught up in the technical, can't see the forest for the trees.
It's like some folks stop 'thinking' and thinking/observation is your best friend. Along with working FOR your dog versus the notion it is working for you. I think this is true the first two years and then the relationship does bring expectation of the dogs performance and skills.
As has been said - there is no better way to learn than with experienced handlers. Reading a dog does not come natural to everyone but is critical.
I would be thrilled at 1 year to have a reliably obedient pup whose response to SIT, HERE and SIT where solid even in the face of mighty distractions. A pup who reliably delivered a bird TO HAND without fuss and poor mouth habits, marked well at sit to 150 yards and was happy and confident as hell every time a dead or live bird was presented. Also a pup that had been exposed and understood pressure via several different methods.