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A new breed of duck dog?

Postby TomKat » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:59 am

They have good hunting instincts and big motors. I am not sure how they would do in lining drills or swim byes. Its a new bloodline, but I have always been a risk taker.

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Re: A new breed of duck dog?

Postby copterdoc » Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:20 am

I bet a Seal could be trained to run some wicked tough water blinds.

It'd be really hard to FF though. Those damn tiny ears.
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Re: A new breed of duck dog?

Postby TomKat » Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:04 am

If you want to be the first to pinch their ears, be my guest!
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Re: A new breed of duck dog?

Postby ScaupHunter » Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:08 pm

Ever seen a seal or sea lions teeth up close? No ear pinching. Food reward training might work.
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Re: A new breed of duck dog?

Postby Rick Hall » Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:24 pm

Pure coyotes are too dang vocal:
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So we've been breeding Super Versatile Chesayotes:
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Pointing Chesayotes, actually, that point like the setter we might have slipped into the mix:
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Then flush on command:
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Great for predators, too, as they're both decoy:
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and catch dog that throws back the puny ones:
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Only downside is that the bastages won't stop mousing:
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Re: A new breed of duck dog?

Postby TomKat » Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:24 pm

OK, what in the hell is that second K9 behind the original coyote??
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Re: A new breed of duck dog?

Postby Rick Hall » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:16 pm

If you're asking about the one behind my "coyote," its his namesake in a Summer jacket. Same one as the top photo where he's trying to keep us away from his pups, one of which was in the second photo. Those were all taken within a week or so of each other as he became emboldened by our inaction. Peake couldn't care less about them:
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As long as the old Brittany isn't along. But since seeing one chase his "brother" and running its ass off, it's on any time one shows when the Britt's with us.
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Re: A new breed of duck dog?

Postby TomKat » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:27 pm

So that is a canis latranis, for real?
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Re: A new breed of duck dog?

Postby Rick Hall » Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:20 am

Yes, TK, it's an honest to gosh "for real" coyote. No doubt yours are bigger, stronger and ever so much more vicious.
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Re: A new breed of duck dog?

Postby TomKat » Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:07 am

I dont know about that. They are all the same animals. 5 main subspecies.

I am in awe that you have tamed one. Does he come to you like a pet? Sleep in a dog house? Can you pet him? This is really new to me. If you don't mind I would like to hear about him. I have been around lots of them, but never a tame one. Of course most of them were either dead or about to die. I saw a really calm one at yellowstone I took a picture of next to the road.
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Re: A new breed of duck dog?

Postby Rick Hall » Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:38 am

He was more "acclimated" than "tame," as his den was in a spot we frequently pass on foot. Just became emboldened over time by his fatherly instincts and our benign attitude toward him. He really wished we'd go the hell away and leave he and his alone:

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Re: A new breed of duck dog?

Postby OHIODUCKA5 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:57 am

That's pretty cool Rick. :thumbsup:
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Re: A new breed of duck dog?

Postby Griffdom » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:51 am

Rick Hall wrote:He was more "acclimated" than "tame," as his den was in a spot we frequently pass on foot. Just became emboldened over time by his fatherly instincts and our benign attitude toward him. He really wished we'd go the hell away and leave he and his alone:



That is pretty cool. I think he would have not made it too long around my property.
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Re: A new breed of duck dog?

Postby Rick Hall » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:22 pm

Some hate them, some admire them. I'm more inclined to the later. Handy thing to have around a rice farm like that, in any event, as they help maintain the levees by keeping the rats in check.
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Re: A new breed of duck dog?

Postby Tim Terrell » Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:41 pm

Good stuff there Rick... thanks for sharing. I've never seen anything quite like that before. I couldn't help but laugh at your 'coyote-dog' pounce' on a field-mouse. 'Reminded me of my old springer Kelli. She developed a fondness for hunting field mice. She would pounce on one, then 'crunch, crunch' and that was the end of that mouse.
One day I was walking her and 'D along the road frontage of our marsh after the bottoms had flooded from a big storm. The entire area was flooded right-up to the shoulder of the road-bed. As we walked the gravel road, the edge was alive with field mice hanging onto vegetation above the water, or huddled at the edge.
Kelli was in heaven, that stub-tail cranking as she plucked one after another off and disposed of them with a 'crunch.' She put a serious hurt on the breeding population out there and I had never seen her more pleased with herself.
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Re: A new breed of duck dog?

Postby Rick Hall » Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:31 pm

That's how Peake became "the coyote" and got registered as Coyote In The Woodpile, hunted constantly for live snacks and had to be broken off eating live snakes, least he grab the wrong kind. These days he brings me his bird catches, but not the mice or rice rats unless I'm close and quick enough to call him in with them. "Did your dog just eat a rice rat?" "If it looked like he did, probably so." No exaggeration to say he'd probably gain weight if dumped in the country.

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Re: A new breed of duck dog?

Postby TomKat » Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:47 pm

Thats pretty cool Rick. I am somewhere in between. I have hunted them, and respect their abilites. They are very evolved predators and good at their game.

I have also lost cats to them and see what they do to ranchers bottom lines.

I am really surprised that one let you get so close to him. The ones here have a fear of humans, and for good reason.
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Re: A new breed of duck dog?

Postby Rick Hall » Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:58 am

I know quite a few cattlemen here and never heard of one going out of his way to shoot a coyote. Very few, in fact, that will take a potshot from the truck, and those that come to mind are unhappy kill everything airholes, anyway. Momma cows are just much more formidable opponents than our coyotes wish to tackle with so much safer food available.

Was a donkey craze for a while, but the donkeys can be a bigger pain than the coyotes. In fact, the guy who owned this calf was cussing one of his donkeys as the probable cause of death, rather than the coyote(s) that ate on it:
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Re: A new breed of duck dog?

Postby HNTFSH » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:53 am

Rick Hall wrote:I know quite a few cattlemen here and never heard of one going out of his way to shoot a coyote. Very few, in fact, that will take a potshot from the truck, and those that come to mind are unhappy kill everything airholes, ]


Of similar mind. Set-up on a Chicken coop a few times but that was egg/investment/quasi-pet preservation. No feelings about those who do. Plus - I like birds, they taste better I'm guessing.
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Re: A new breed of duck dog?

Postby TomKat » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:04 pm

In Kansas there is no closed season and no limits.
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Re: A new breed of duck dog?

Postby ScaupHunter » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:30 pm

I drop the hammer on every one of them that I see. No season and no limit in Washington. I have ranchers and bird ranches that call and ask me to come out and shoot them.
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