Labs wrote:No danger to the dog...we do this with training birds and birds we get after a test. Couple of things...
1) If these are birds you harvested, make darn sure you don't have more than your possession limit.
2) Be careful where you train. If the CO catches you using wild harvested birds, you could get tagged for wanton waste. Not all states are the same, so make sure you look into those laws.
3) Check out your dog training laws...some states require you get a permit from the DNR if you are using actual birds.
Strapping wings to a bumper might help some dogs that already like birds, but not bumpers, transition to liking bumpers too.aunt betty wrote:Strap the wings onto a dummy.
i_willie12 wrote:ducks fine... Dove quail i wouldnt use!!! They are small pups tend to mouth them.. Then tend to eat them!
Agree with all the above . Also if retrieving in water , those doves and quail will not hold up very well . In fact they will be right down nasty and if your pup is not FF at this time could result in a refusal with could turn into a big training issue . Stay with the ducks .Rick Hall wrote:i_willie12 wrote:ducks fine... Dove quail i wouldnt use!!! They are small pups tend to mouth them.. Then tend to eat them!
I'm with willie on this. No small birds, and particularly doves, until well after Pup's displaying good mouth habits with pigeons and ducks.
And I'm with copterdoc on wings.
And that's also essentially why competitive amateurs, and Pro Trainers both use bumpers for the "meat and potatoes" of retrieving training.HNTFSH wrote:Like the above and it's not about 'retrieving' at that age. It's about curiosity and confidence with a bird.
copterdoc wrote:I've often heard it said that you need to pay attention to your possession limit, and that you could get charged with wanton waste when training with wild game birds.
To that, I just say hooey. It's never happened to anybody.
Game Wardens aren't retarded.
C.J. wrote:I have access to live ducks and pigeons as well. I wanted to start with dove/quail in the yard since a mallard or woody might be too big for a 8 week old pup. I was thinking let him retrieve a wing during training and work up from there. Also I am hesitant to give him a live bird until he is at least months cause I don't want one of these pigeons poking him in the eye or anything that might freak him out.
I am using the smartworks program if that helps at all.
Nonsense.Labs wrote:Try training with a bucket full of wood ducks, and a CO stops by. Mallards are most commonly used as training ducks, and they usually don't say boo about that...train with pheasants in IA, MN, or SD, you better have proof that they were pen raised, or you WILL get a ticket...
copterdoc wrote:Nonsense.Labs wrote:Try training with a bucket full of wood ducks, and a CO stops by. Mallards are most commonly used as training ducks, and they usually don't say boo about that...train with pheasants in IA, MN, or SD, you better have proof that they were pen raised, or you WILL get a ticket...
I train with woodies, divers, chickens, pigeons and both hen and rooster pheasants all the time.
Especially early in the spring.
Could I get a ticket for being over the possession limit, if I am over the possession limit?
But, I've never once had a Warden show any concern whatsoever about what birds I am carrying in a bucket, loading in the wingers, or throwing for the dogs. They ask to see my hunting license. That's it.
I do make sure that I am not training during the nesting season, on public land that isn't a designated dog training area.
They actually will bust you for that.
Training with wild birds is not wanton waste. You can use your game any way that you wish.
You don't have to actually eat it all. If consumption is the only acceptable use of game birds, getting a canvasback or sprig mounted by a Taxidermist would be illegal wanton waste.