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question about stud service

Postby Boocephus » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:45 am

I have an 8 yr. old male chocolate lab that has been breeding a friend of mine's female chocolates for the past few years. This week he brought down his 3 yr. old female for servicing. On Monday he got the job done. On Wednesday he called and said he wanted to do it again. My dog tried to mount her once, she scooted on out and they just started to play together. Yesterday he called again, tried it again with the same results. In the past, I think he only bred her once. These are like 1 hr. sessions. Now he tells me that he's going to take her to another chocolate stud. Now to me, this just don't seem right. My question is, why he brought her down for the extra service. He says, in case she wasn't obulating. Any input on this? And also, if my dog got her Monday, and he takes her to another stud and he gets her, what's he gonna have? Is this normal? I only do this for my friend and I dont have a stud service, so I don't know alot about it, but I was kinda hoping to get a pup this year. Thanks in advance for any input.
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Re: question about stud service

Postby mikegillam » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:06 am

If your dog successfully mated with the female, and during this same heat period he is taking her to a new stud, you will never know the father of the dogs. Because females release multiple eggs, they can be impregnated by multiple dogs at the same time :no: ...one of the reasons you keep your female locked up during breeding. It sounds as if she may have been on the tail end (pun intended) of her cycle...
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Re: question about stud service

Postby labman63 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:25 am

Some people breed two two different studs on purpose and they have to be dna tested to see who is from who.
The only time I heard of it was with two high dollar FT dogs.
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Re: question about stud service

Postby Boocephus » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:39 am

mikegillam wrote:If your dog successfully mated with the female, and during this same heat period he is taking her to a new stud, you will never know the father of the dogs. Because females release multiple eggs, they can be impregnated by multiple dogs at the same time :no: ...one of the reasons you keep your female locked up during breeding. It sounds as if she may have been on the tail end (pun intended) of her cycle...

Thanx for the input guys. He thinks she started her cycle a week ago yesterday. Im not sure why he wasnt succesful the other 2 times she was over. Is it possible he's lacking something nutritional wise? I feed him Pro Plan and his vet says he's in great shape.
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Re: question about stud service

Postby Dakota Creek » Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:33 am

Dogs are generally most fertile on days 10-14 after the start their cycle .... but some females may be earlier, some may be later. I would say if you only got one tie over with your male over three sessions and she was no longer interested in the second and third pairing, that the tie that you did get was done on the end of her cycle not in the earlier stages.

If these pups are going to be sold as registered dogs, if a second breeding is done with the other fellow's dog, the pups will need to be DNA tested to determine who sired what in the litter.
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Re: question about stud service

Postby Boocephus » Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:47 am

Good point Dakota Creek, he does sell them as registered pups. I will let him know that.
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Re: question about stud service

Postby Rise and Shine Retrievers » Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:11 am

Does he do progesterone testing to see where her cycle is at? As others have said, sounds like she was at the end of her cycle.
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Re: question about stud service

Postby Boocephus » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:10 am

No, I don't think so. He took her to the other guy yesterday and had a succesful session. I told him about the DNA testing and he said that will be done. Am I understanding labman right, each pup needs DNA testing, or only 1? Also, I'm not sure why my lab wasn't interested the other 2 times they came over. Thanx for all the help.
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Re: question about stud service

Postby Dakota Creek » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:25 am

Every pup will need to have the DNA testing done to determine which stud is the sire as each pup is registered individually.
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Re: question about stud service

Postby Boocephus » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:21 pm

Ok, I have another question, my friend brought his other female chocolate lab down for a session. They hooked up twice. Yesterday she had her litter. 2 pups. As I stated earlier my dogs 8 years old. 9 in 2 weeks. Is it possible hes losing his potency or was this just a fluke, last year this 3 year old female had 11 pups. Also we had an agreement prior to any contact for payment as pick of the litter for me. Now that she only had 2 pups he wants me to give him some money. $150. This dont seem right to me or is this the way it goes. Thanks in advance for any feedback.
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Re: question about stud service

Postby HNTFSH » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:28 pm

Boocephus wrote:Ok, I have another question, my friend brought his other female chocolate lab down for a session. They hooked up twice. Yesterday she had her litter. 2 pups. As I stated earlier my dogs 8 years old. 9 in 2 weeks. Is it possible hes losing his potency or was this just a fluke, last year this 3 year old female had 11 pups. Also we had an agreement prior to any contact for payment as pick of the litter for me. Now that she only had 2 pups he wants me to give him some money. $150. This dont seem right to me or is this the way it goes. Thanks in advance for any feedback.


I've always been told the Stud fee = price of one pup. Whether 2 pups or 12 - the first one sold is your money. That's the chance a bitch owner takes - you did your part (so to speak). Your friend sounds like a backyard breeder.
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Re: question about stud service

Postby Rise and Shine Retrievers » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:14 am

That's the chance a bitch owner takes - you did your part


Every stud owner I deal with is different. Deposits, prices, refunds, etc. However, the general rule of thumb is 2 pups constitutes a "litter". Your friend got his "litter", he needs to stand by your agreement.
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Re: question about stud service

Postby Dawnsearlylight » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:16 am

HNTFSH wrote:
Boocephus wrote:Ok, I have another question, my friend brought his other female chocolate lab down for a session. They hooked up twice. Yesterday she had her litter. 2 pups. As I stated earlier my dogs 8 years old. 9 in 2 weeks. Is it possible hes losing his potency or was this just a fluke, last year this 3 year old female had 11 pups. Also we had an agreement prior to any contact for payment as pick of the litter for me. Now that she only had 2 pups he wants me to give him some money. $150. This dont seem right to me or is this the way it goes. Thanks in advance for any feedback.


I've always been told the Stud fee = price of one pup. Whether 2 pups or 12 - the first one sold is your money. That's the chance a bitch owner takes - you did your part (so to speak). Your friend sounds like a backyard breeder.[/quote

And he's not the only one, takes two to make a backyard breeding. :rolleyes:
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Re: question about stud service

Postby i_willie12 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:29 am

HNTFSH wrote:I've always been told the Stud fee = price of one pup. Whether 2 pups or 12 - the first one sold is your money. That's the chance a bitch owner takes - you did your part (so to speak). Your friend sounds like a backyard breeder.


Every stud fee ive heard of is 1 pup is a litter!! my fee is 1 pup equals a litter Know a lady that paid $3k for some chopper semen... had 9 pups spoken for at $2500 a piece... 1 pup was born!!!!! Its a gamble
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Re: question about stud service

Postby HNTFSH » Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:31 am

i_willie12 wrote:
HNTFSH wrote:I've always been told the Stud fee = price of one pup. Whether 2 pups or 12 - the first one sold is your money. That's the chance a bitch owner takes - you did your part (so to speak). Your friend sounds like a backyard breeder.


Every stud fee ive heard of is 1 pup is a litter!! my fee is 1 pup equals a litter Know a lady that paid $3k for some chopper semen... had 9 pups spoken for at $2500 a piece... 1 pup was born!!!!! Its a gamble


Yep!! Not like the person with the bitch pays a Stud fee of 3X or 4X when it's a large litter!
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Re: question about stud service

Postby i_willie12 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:34 am

HNTFSH wrote:
i_willie12 wrote:
HNTFSH wrote:I've always been told the Stud fee = price of one pup. Whether 2 pups or 12 - the first one sold is your money. That's the chance a bitch owner takes - you did your part (so to speak). Your friend sounds like a backyard breeder.


Every stud fee ive heard of is 1 pup is a litter!! my fee is 1 pup equals a litter Know a lady that paid $3k for some chopper semen... had 9 pups spoken for at $2500 a piece... 1 pup was born!!!!! Its a gamble


Yep!! Not like the person with the bitch pays a Stud fee of 3X or 4X when it's a large litter!


Exactly!! MY studs last litter was 11 pups!! :eek: I didnt get anymore money
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Re: question about stud service

Postby Boocephus » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:33 pm

Dawnsearlylight wrote:
HNTFSH wrote:
Boocephus wrote:Ok, I have another question, my friend brought his other female chocolate lab down for a session. They hooked up twice. Yesterday she had her litter. 2 pups. As I stated earlier my dogs 8 years old. 9 in 2 weeks. Is it possible hes losing his potency or was this just a fluke, last year this 3 year old female had 11 pups. Also we had an agreement prior to any contact for payment as pick of the litter for me. Now that she only had 2 pups he wants me to give him some money. $150. This dont seem right to me or is this the way it goes. Thanks in advance for any feedback.


I've always been told the Stud fee = price of one pup. Whether 2 pups or 12 - the first one sold is your money. That's the chance a bitch owner takes - you did your part (so to speak). Your friend sounds like a backyard breeder.[/quote

And he's not the only one, takes two to make a backyard breeding. :rolleyes:

Backyard breeder? :huh: Ouch. I just want a pup. Well I guess your right, it was in my backyard. Im just wondering whats the right thing to do here, and if my dogs losing his potency.
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Re: question about stud service

Postby HNTFSH » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:42 pm

Boocephus wrote:Backyard breeder? :huh: Ouch. I just want a pup. Well I guess your right, it was in my backyard. Im just wondering whats the right thing to do here, and if my dogs losing his potency.


Hold your buddy accountable to the contract you have, even if verbal. If he tries to screw ya or cheap ya...ain't much of a buddy.

Get your dog tested. Spend the money, it's part of having a stud. Right?
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Re: question about stud service

Postby Boocephus » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:56 pm

Honestly I never intended to have a stud when I got him, just kinds happened I guess. X amount of dollars to use your dog. Hes been a good dog , fathered alot of pups and made me some ammo money as well. Thanks for all the input.
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Re: question about stud service

Postby i_willie12 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:28 am

it has nothing to do with potency and everything to do with God! No way to know how many pups you are going to get out of a litter, or what color, or sex ratio.... 2 dogs breed and what happens happens :thumbsup: In the future i would get a written stud agreement with all the payments lined out in the document!
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Re: question about stud service

Postby ohio mike » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:08 pm

He doesn't honor his end of the agreement then don't sign the papers,simple as that. If he continues to be a jackass notify AKC of the multiple sires. That will be the end of his puppy mill.
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Re: question about stud service

Postby Dawnsearlylight » Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:01 am

If you are worried about your dog's fertility, you need to get him to a repro specialist who can do a sperm count and test for STDs, thyroid problems, hormone levels, etc. This is especially important if you have not required that the bitches he bred were tested for things like brucellosis.
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Re: question about stud service

Postby Boocephus » Fri Jun 20, 2014 5:04 pm

Thanks for all the input everybody.
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Re: question about stud service

Postby rivercountry » Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:46 am

My money says if he screwed his friend (you) out of a puppy he probably has no intentions of testing the puppies for DNA either. He will most likely register them under just one stud dog. Hopefully if he does AKC will catch up with him and ban his ***. Think I would find me another buddy.
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