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Life of dog with mild HD?

Postby RCLCJR » Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:52 pm

Well I sure was dreading this but I got the x rays done on my 16 month old BLM today and it appears that he may have mild HD in his rear right leg. Going to get them looked at by a ortho vet for second opinion but I was wondering who here has dealt with this and how did it work out?? Thanks in advance
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Re: Life of dog with mild HD?

Postby gonehuntin' » Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:33 pm

Chance are he'll live a perfectly normal life. I had two FT dogs that competed and lived to a ripe old age. Had an english setter whose hips were horrible, worst i've seen. He hunted hard until 12 years old. Were I you, I wouldn't even worry about it.
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Re: Life of dog with mild HD?

Postby krazybronco2 » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:14 pm

i took mine in at 6months old to get a prelim done and i was told her hips maybe dysplasic but she is doing fine. also if i were you i personally would wait till the dog is 2yo before going to a ortho vet only because he may still have a little bit more growing to do his hips could fill in an no need in spending extra money to go to the ortho vet now when you can do it in 8 months and also get an ofa certification.
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Re: Life of dog with mild HD?

Postby Dawnsearlylight » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:51 pm

RCLCJR wrote:Well I sure was dreading this but I got the x rays done on my 16 month old BLM today and it appears that he may have mild HD in his rear right leg. Going to get them looked at by a ortho vet for second opinion but I was wondering who here has dealt with this and how did it work out?? Thanks in advance


What prompted you to xray at 16 months, was there something wonky in his movement? Did whoever did the pics get the positioning right (ask me how I know this can be a problem!)?

If you want a second opinion why not send the rads to OFA? Worst case scenario, mild is nothing you would want to breed but generally not a huge deal. Keep him lean and fit, swim for exercise, if you see problems down the road Adequan is your friend.
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Re: Life of dog with mild HD?

Postby Dawnsearlylight » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:58 pm

krazybronco2 wrote:i took mine in at 6months old to get a prelim done and i was told her hips maybe dysplasic but she is doing fine. also if i were you i personally would wait till the dog is 2yo before going to a ortho vet only because he may still have a little bit more growing to do his hips could fill in an no need in spending extra money to go to the ortho vet now when you can do it in 8 months and also get an ofa certification.


6 months is a bit young for a prelim. You have to be careful with females and do rads dead in the middle of their heat cycle. There is no "may be" dysplastic, they either are or they aren't, and what you mean by hips "filling in"?
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Re: Life of dog with mild HD?

Postby Jimmy82 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:21 am

While he's not a hunting dog, my Bassett has HD in both hips. We do our best to keep him lean and exercise him with easy walks. He still has a crap load of torque, and he runs and sometimes plays with the Vizsla. He's about 7 now and really the only thing we have to watch out for is how we handle him, like getting his nails clipped or picking him up for what ever reason. Grabbing him or picking him up the wrong way will cause him pain. But otherwise he's happy and shows no signs of cronic pain.
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Re: Life of dog with mild HD?

Postby Rick Hall » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:48 am

I'd think them all a bit different, but my first Chessie, Bud, had moderate dysplasia in one hip yet hunted 10 1/2 seasons for a commercial camp before retiring.
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Was found doing a prelim x-ray for a planned breeding just before his second birthday, and I followed the vets' advice to limit off season land work to save wear on the joint but give him lots of water work to develop the muscle supporting it from that point forward. Had him during a period when we were killing scores of geese over white spreads daily and also had quail to chase, so he did have an awful lot of land work during their seasons, but I don't recall him stiffening up and showing discomfort after it until eight or so, and he didn't show significant discomfort while working until that final season, at which point I pulled him from the field. We treated him with first adequine(sp?) then rymidal(sp?) in his final few years.

That's not to suggest that you should work your pup so hard, only that he may still be capable of it. Know that I battled with the "quality of life" question once Bud was older and started to show the HD's effect at day's end.
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Re: Life of dog with mild HD?

Postby RCLCJR » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:04 am

That all sounds better than I was expecting. I had him done just for piece of mind. The dog shows no signs whatsoever and has been working very hard without a single limp. The only thing that caught my attention was every now and then he would do a slight skip when he went into trot, other than that, nothing. I am trying to get a copy of the x rays to send to a ortho vet for a second opinion.

The vet told me to basically keep working him, try to avoid high impact stuff like high jumping and do lots of water work, and she recommended probably not breeding him.

Do any of you all think joint supplements would be a good idea? She recommended some but I have no experience with them.
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Re: Life of dog with mild HD?

Postby Dawnsearlylight » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:11 am

RCLCJR wrote:That all sounds better than I was expecting. I had him done just for piece of mind. The dog shows no signs whatsoever and has been working very hard without a single limp. The only thing that caught my attention was every now and then he would do a slight skip when he went into trot, other than that, nothing. I am trying to get a copy of the x rays to send to a ortho vet for a second opinion.

The vet told me to basically keep working him, try to avoid high impact stuff like high jumping and do lots of water work, and she recommended probably not breeding him.

Do any of you all think joint supplements would be a good idea? She recommended some but I have no experience with them.


Your vet recommended "probably" not breeding him??? For the love of all that is holy, definitely do not breed him. I would have him neutered to ensure breeding does not happen "accidentally".

The slight skip you noticed is probably a conformation thing, I have seen that in perfectly sound dogs. I have never seen an oral supplement that I thought did anything. I have used Adequan (injectable) for years, although not for HD (my line was pretty clear, all OFA G/E) and it is the real deal. I used it to hold partial cruciate tears ( which is an off-label use), in an older dog with elbow arthritis from a prior injury, and in a pup with a mystery front end lameness. It is not a drug and lacks the side effects of drugs. It gets to the joints in 2 hours and you can see the results in the dog's behavior. I never give pain meds such as Rimadyl (and I believe there are currently better ones on the market such as Tramadol) unless the dog is in so much pain it wouldn't eat, which has never happened with my hogs. :smile:

This is all for future reference, I would not do anything special right now except use common sense re: things like exercise, weight, etc., until/unless the dog shows signs of discomfort. Your dog may never have a problem. And as I mentioned in my previous post, I would make damn sure the positioning for the rads was spot on, it is critical, especially if the result was unilateral HD.It can be a bit difficult to get it right with Chessies because of their conformation. Positioning can't make a bad hip look good, but it can sure as hell make a good hip look bad; personal experience speaking here.
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Re: Life of dog with mild HD?

Postby Rick Hall » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:48 am

RCLCJR wrote:Do any of you all think joint supplements would be a good idea? She recommended some but I have no experience with them.


Probably wouldn't hurt. Know glucosimine chondroitin (which at least one human study said won't work) let me start running again on what seemed shot knees ten or so years ago but are now just fine, and my dogs, one of which will be 17 on the 3rd, have been taking it with me since. No way to know for certain what it may be doing for them, but the Spring Valley Wally World version we take is cheap enough to use regardless.
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Re: Life of dog with mild HD?

Postby RCLCJR » Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:32 pm

Thanks a lot. Guys. I had already made up my mind I was not Breeding him not only for the hip issue but the dog doesn't have the temperament I would like to see passed down.

I emailed the x rays to the specialist and he confirmed that IF that was correct positioning his hips probably would not pass OFA. He said from what he looked at, he may be mild. But he could not tell me for certain because he didn't do it and as was stated before, positioning is everything.

Im going to try joint supplements because I feel like they couldn't hurt. Anymore info would be greatly appreciated.
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