cmelik10 wrote:He showed me how to CC her to here and said that in one more session probably she would be ready to go for more retrievs.
This is what got me riled up, sure made it sound like to me like you spend a couple of days CC'ing a dog and then you're back to training.
cmelik10 wrote:I did not mean that she was CC he just showed me how to go about it.
the way he and alot of other trainers in my area do their CC is one command at a time throwing the Mike Lardy method of CCing out the window which has you doing multiple commands in one session.
That is incorrect. Mike Lardy's method (which is the norm from what I have seen) is to spend the first few sessions on ONE command. It is only after the initial sessions (2 to 5) on SIT and HERE that he mixes them together. Collar Conditioning is a LOT like the Force Fetch in that it is a rough way to make a lasting impression on a dog. It is also like the Force Fetch in that it can be a life changing experience for the dog, and it's relationship with you. It is a learning process in and of itself, and there is a definite method to the madness. So if you NEVER mix the two in the controlled environment of the CC, then you are cheating the dog, and yourself. You condition in a controlled environment in hopes that the training (conditioning) carries forward into uncontrolled environments. In the end you will end up using the e-collar on multiple commands. Why NOT condition that way?
I apologize if I've jumped the gun on you. While I am a firm believer in the absolute 'magic' and 'precision' that an e-collar can bring to training, I've also seen MANY a dog that has been ruined by it. While advice from my anonymous butt across the internet shouldn't amount to crapola, you want to MAKE SURE that you are getting sound advice from those around you. Mike Lardy is freakin guru, as is Evan Graham. If someone says they are doing something UNLIKE Mike Lardy, that would be a red flag for me. Especially when it seems as if they aren't sure what Mike Lardy does.
Bottom line, you are here and there asking questions and seeking advice. Because of that fact alone, you are on the right track. Obviously you care and are serious about the process. That alone gets you a long ways towards the end goal of having a kick-butt retriever. Look at and UNDERSTAND all sides, don't take one persons advice. Make an informed decision for yourself.
"I'll start spending less time with my dog and more with my wife when she starts fetching ducks for me"