labsforme wrote:Dawns, as an FYI EIC is not "predominately" in FT labs. Show "labs" just don't exhibit the symptoms as much. I have never heard it even being associated with epilepsy either. I own an EIC affected from before the test was verified.I Just double checked on the definitive experts on EIC the U of Mn website. Please do research before promoting incorrect information.
Also there is a big split between show GSP and FT GSP. Had an FC/AFC and was in the game a long time. Brittany's require FT dogs to have a conformation certificate before they can title.
In regards to conformation judges: they put up dogs that are not within the breed standard. It is a subjective game. Try and show a dog that is fit and you would never even turn a head.
My avatar is within standard and is a 3 x NFC Lottie granddaughter .Excellent hunting dog too.
Back to the OP if you want a good hunting dog stick with proven lines. Keep away from show lines from either side of the big pond.
I provided the source of the information in the post you are referring to, you might want to contact AKC and advise them of their incorrect information.
If there is a split in the GSP breed, it has happened in the last 7 years; last Dual was recorded in 2007 (as opposed to 1984 for labs). As for Britts, I am not talking about a certificate, their 600th Dual
was listed in 2012.
Any judge that consistently and blatantly puts up dogs that are not within the standard will not last very long. Have you never seen a judge's decision protested? It's not just about a winning dog being "within" the standard, it is about the dog that is closest to the ideal as described in the standard. Are there politics and unethical dealings involved in dog shows? Sure there are (ask me how I know), just as there are in any competition involving human beings, but it is not nearly as rampant as some people believe.
The national breed club makes up the written standards for show dogs; who makes up the membership of those clubs?? Who votes in the officers and board members?? Where were you when the battle over the height revision was going on? Do you know that if that resolution had passed, it would have effectively voided a large number of current CH's?
The point that I was making in my posts was that no group is free of problems (and my reference to epilepsy was based on something that I had personal knowledge of). If you think your breed standard is amiss, do something about it besides complaining to like-minded folks on a forum, which is totally non-productive. Get a bunch of your buddies with properly-conformed labs together and flood a show ring; if the judge passes you by, find out why he did so. Then challenge the pigador exhibitors to do likewise in field tests.