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Re: Global Warming Skepticism

Postby beretta24 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:53 am

FamilyMan wrote:Spinner we will just have to agree to disagree.

I firmly believe, as consumers we are changing the climate. (As you do too.)

I believe also believe, whether we perceive this change as positive or negative, that we should not be able to force climate change across the globe. Wars have been started for a lot less.

Then do you propose war with China since they are creating more greenhouse gases than the US? By your logic, or lack thereof, they are forcing more harm on others than anyone else.
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Re: Global Warming Skepticism

Postby FamilyMan » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:32 pm

I am saying there is a potential risk moving forward whether it be the U.S., China, etc.

Science claims we are causing change. The forced change upsets people, does it not?
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Re: Global Warming Skepticism

Postby HNTFSH » Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:24 pm

FamilyMan wrote:I am saying there is a potential risk moving forward whether it be the U.S., China, etc.

Science claims we are causing change. The forced change upsets people, does it not?


Some science "claims" that and other "science" does not.

I'm guessing there's been climate change since before there was science.
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Re: Global Warming Skepticism

Postby FamilyMan » Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:43 pm

Majority of science, I should say.
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Re: Global Warming Skepticism

Postby beretta24 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:46 pm

FamilyMan wrote:Majority of science, I should say.

So now we shouldn't do anything that upsets people?
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Re: Global Warming Skepticism

Postby Indaswamp » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:08 pm

FamilyMan wrote:I am saying there is a potential risk moving forward whether it be the U.S., China, etc.

Science claims we are causing change. The forced change upsets people, does it not?

Nope. Science claims we are increasing atmospheric CO2 concentrations. There is some evidence that may be the case. What is certainly NOT proven is that the planet is warming because of it, or the extent to which it will warm. The alarmists have likely overstated the warming by quite a bit. The data used to prove that warming is suspect and prone to confirmation bias and manipulations.
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Re: Global Warming Skepticism

Postby FamilyMan » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:10 pm

People are still wearing tin foil hats?

Folks, it is fact. Do some research.
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Re: Global Warming Skepticism

Postby Indaswamp » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:15 pm

FamilyMan wrote:People are still wearing tin foil hats?

Folks, it is fact. Do some research.

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Re: Global Warming Skepticism

Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:38 pm

FamilyMan wrote:Spinner we will just have to agree to disagree.

I firmly believe, as consumers we are changing the climate. (As you do too.)

I believe also believe, whether we perceive this change as positive or negative, that we should not be able to force climate change across the globe. Wars have been started for a lot less.

And you think forcing such massive economic change will not risk war :huh:

FamilyMan wrote:Science claims we are causing change. The forced change upsets people, does it not?

So the solution is to force bigger more noticeable change on them as opposed to the imperceptible change. :huh:

So we piss a lot of people off to prevent the possibility of pissing off some people that don't have the resources to do anything about it if they happen to get pissed off and should be pissed at the dysfunctional government and society that causes them to suffer far more than the change forced on them by every human being on the planet for the last decades.
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Re: Global Warming Skepticism

Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:42 pm

Indaswamp wrote:Science claims we are increasing atmospheric CO2 concentrations. There is some evidence that may be the case.

There is absolutely no doubt that CO2 is rising and it is from burning fossil fuels. None.
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Re: Global Warming Skepticism

Postby FamilyMan » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:59 pm

Spinner, just because they don't have the resources it doesn't mean they should be treated with less respect.
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Re: Global Warming Skepticism

Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:28 pm

FamilyMan wrote:Spinner, just because they don't have the resources it doesn't mean they should be treated with less respect.

How is forcing them to pay more for energy respectful, especially when they have less?

Nice try going from we have to do it for fear of war because of imperceptible change caused by every human on the planet and ignoring the risk of war from the forced harm of higher energy prices.

Assuming they will not have resources for the next century is disrespectful. Imposing higher energy costs on those that it will do the most harm is disrespectful.

You want to impose upon them, but your imposition is yoirs so it is risk free and harm free or at least negligibly so in your mind despite the massive science to the contrary.
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Re: Global Warming Skepticism

Postby FamilyMan » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:37 am

Yes, I think you can see the massive problem/choice that we face in the future.

Can you imagine if just some of the emerging countries started living our lifestyle?
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Re: Global Warming Skepticism

Postby SpinnerMan » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:25 am

FamilyMan wrote:Yes, I think you can see the massive problem/choice that we face in the future.

Can you imagine if just some of the emerging countries started living our lifestyle?

I see many massive problems being solved to enable them to live our lifestyle.

Not living any where near as well as they could IS THE PROBLEM.

This is the problem the Bush administration took seriously. It is not one that the Obama administration takes seriously or they are seriously clueless. I do not believe Obama sees these people as equal individuals but as statistical abstractions.
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Re: Global Warming Skepticism

Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:43 am

http://energy.mit.edu/publication/low-carbon-energy-economy-workshop-report/

If you download the report, this covers a broad spectrum of the challenges of a low carbon future.

You also need to read between the lines in many of this because these are committed advocates in most cases so they often minimize what are huge challenges or have incredible societal implications.

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There are significant technical, economic, and policy challenges to achieving large scale, sustainable biofuel production.
Essentially, we must now redesign U.S. and world agricultural systems to produce biofuels, food and animal feeds, and also provide large-scale environmental services.

No risk there in redesigning world agricultural systems. No chance of breaking these incredibly complex systems that have been developed over thousands of years of human history. No examples of countries doing this with catastrophic results.

And that means you must give that power to do so to some small body of people.

It is a good read so far. I've only looked over a fraction of the report, but I attended the entire workshop and what I have read so far has been a pretty good summary.
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Re: Global Warming Skepticism

Postby WoodyWhiffingMG » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:54 am

Fake News:
http://www.npr.org/2013/02/02/170779528/the-inconvenient-truth-about-polar-bears

Real News:
Polar bear populations have raised 20% in the last 10 years.
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Re: Global Warming Skepticism

Postby MinneKans » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:46 pm

Just curious, how many of you don't believe the climate is warming?
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Re: Global Warming Skepticism

Postby SpinnerMan » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:27 pm

MinneKans wrote:Just curious, how many of you don't believe the climate is warming?

Of course it is, it is spring time. Warms a little every day on average. :yes:
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