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Massive Wetland Drainage going unregulated in ND

Postby Blueross » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:06 pm

"Thanks for the photos, and I hope your season is going well. Mike Johnson of NDGFP gave a nice presentation to the AHM Working Group of almost exactly what you showed me in September; stacks of tiles waiting to be installed, ditched wetlands, and incredible expansion of draining efforts. With changes in Farm Bill, it was nothing but doom and gloom."

Sorry no one seems to care, but I guess if they don't care about illegal immigration how could they possible care about draining the last of the prairie! Most of the draining is illegal and completly ignored by the Fedral government who is in charge of stopping the illegal practice.

Organizations with a governmental presence should be ashamed of themselves. The threats of not paying farmers more than three years preventive plant is the main reason so many farmers are illegally draing habitat. See how you woukld like to loose your revenue off of land that you own and is called farmland! Pull the CRP and now tell the farmers even the land to wet to farm is going to be pulled from the program. THESE POLICYS SAY "GOOD BYE DUCK HUNTING" :crying:
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Re: Massive Wetland Drainage going unregulated in ND

Postby wanapasaki » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:41 pm

Maybe those construction areas need to be sabotaged 'ACCIDENTLY' After all, the operations are illegal anyways, so who would they contact without telling on themselves?
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Re: Massive Wetland Drainage going unregulated in ND

Postby aunt betty » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:36 am

They call it "PROGRESS". It's been going on for a while I heard.
Don't mean to be a smarty and it is terrible to lose waterfowl breeding habitat.

When you "drain" a large piece of ground the water doesn't just disappear but goes somewhere else.
Many times they are just causing somewhere downstream to flood worse by draining a certain piece of wetland.

Ducks will find somewhere to breed but they'll spend more energy doing it and that means less eggs.
Be concerned about loss of grasslands. Pintails need that. Puddle ducks will hold their own imo. Be very concerned for pintails because grasslands are also being eliminated to grow more wheat.
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Re: Massive Wetland Drainage going unregulated in ND

Postby goldfish » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:33 pm

Whats really all ucked fup, is if you buy land that has tile in it, and go to pull it out, the DNR will stop you if you didn't pull the correct permits to do so.

Explain that one :huh:
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Re: Massive Wetland Drainage going unregulated in ND

Postby dakotashooter2 » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:55 am

This starts at the county or regional water boards.These guys are basically rubber stamping every permit. The real way to stop it would be to have FEMA doing the permitting. That would mean environmental impact studies and public hearings.

I still believe tiling is going to bite these guys in the a$$at some point. It's fine for wet years but in the dry years it's gonna pull out the water. Thats the thing about drainage...it always tried to do what it was designed for................
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Re: Massive Wetland Drainage going unregulated in ND

Postby ebitzan » Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:35 pm

Blueross wrote:"Thanks for the photos, and I hope your season is going well. Mike Johnson of NDGFP gave a nice presentation to the AHM Working Group of almost exactly what you showed me in September; stacks of tiles waiting to be installed, ditched wetlands, and incredible expansion of draining efforts. With changes in Farm Bill, it was nothing but doom and gloom."

Sorry no one seems to care, but I guess if they don't care about illegal immigration how could they possible care about draining the last of the prairie! Most of the draining is illegal and completly ignored by the Fedral government who is in charge of stopping the illegal practice.

Organizations with a governmental presence should be ashamed of themselves. The threats of not paying farmers more than three years preventive plant is the main reason so many farmers are illegally draing habitat. See how you woukld like to loose your revenue off of land that you own and is called farmland! Pull the CRP and now tell the farmers even the land to wet to farm is going to be pulled from the program. THESE POLICYS SAY "GOOD BYE DUCK HUNTING" :crying:

Sad to see... :no:
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Re: Massive Wetland Drainage going unregulated in ND

Postby Cougar125 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:34 am

FEMA, sadly enough, wouldn't be the ones regulating it. It would still fall under the EPA to regulate the stamps and say yes or no to drainages. While some of the discussion here does say that ducks will find other grounds (which is true), we are still losing valuable habitat for all ducks. By causing ducks to find other habitat, we end up with an overcrowding and another known effect called the tragedy of the commons. Nobody realizes that even though ducks will find new breeding ground, we end up pushing them all into the same breding ground causing an overuse of the land they're using. If people could get past the anthropocentric approach to land usage we all would be far better off.
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Re: Massive Wetland Drainage going unregulated in ND

Postby boney fingers » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:18 pm

The real answer is for sportsman organizations to put their money where the mouths are and purchase some of this land or buy permanent easements. Relying on government to accomplish our goals is a mistake.
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