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Postby WIDrakeKiller » Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:09 pm

In a class in college and my professor showed us a map of the oil in different countries around the world. Basically what the end point was is that the US doesn't have enough oil to last very long on her own if she started drilling all her own. This isn't info from a political website either just thought its interesting because I always here people talk about why the US isn't producing all of its own oil. Thats all.
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Re: OIL in US

Postby Butta boom » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:37 pm

Just because you saw a map in the thirteenth grade don't mean s..t to a tree. The drivel that they were representing as knowledge, was not even known then or now. The existence of oil or gas in a given area is often known but not in a quantifiable amount. The companies that own the rights to those resources are very secretive about where and how much they think the yield might be. As a landlord that has drilling leases in effect on my properties, I can't get any info on the reserves or the future capacities that might be produced. So as a partner in the extraction of the resource, that is unable to get that info, why would an outsider get more accurate dope. The industry has every reason to mislead the gov. As well. The potential tax opportunity on every barrel or cubic foot pushes the extraction industry to describe a diminishing supply so these tax schemes are not enacted. One final reason the supply of oil is not short in the future, the companies that are in the energy business are not investing in green energy. The money flowing towards green energy is stupid retirement fund investors and the like that might be able to be bailed out at some point.
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Re: OIL in US

Postby WIDrakeKiller » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:54 am

Ok....
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Re: OIL in US

Postby apexhunter » Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:27 am

One aspect of the indoctrination that is happening in our schools and universities (I call it that instead of education because it is the reality of what is going on these days) concerning our "natural resources" is the failure to realize or to relate the fact that oil and natural gas are infact being renewed every second of every day. The earth is continually renewing these fuels as it has for millenium and some researchers and scientists believe that the renewal rate is virtually equal to the extraction rate. Either way it is a safe bet to say that the US has more than ample resources to be 100% self suficient and the political powers are fighting tooth & nail to reduce or virtually eliminate all drilling.

That said, Butta's post is on spot and university "professors" are more prone to report the politically accepted version of a study than the actual facts which are closely guarded by the companies paying to have the studies performed.
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Re: OIL in US

Postby WIDrakeKiller » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:13 am

Funny how an Energy Specialist told me this too yesterday. Actually 2 did. Hah Im not a whacked out liberal, quite conservative, but you guys are just going off assumptions. These guys actually do this for a living. Im in Agriculture too so its not like Im getting a degree in green living. Will see 30 years down the road who's right.
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Re: OIL in US

Postby Bill Herian » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:07 pm

WIDrakeKiller wrote: you guys are just going off assumptions.

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apexhunter wrote:some researchers and scientists believe that the renewal rate is virtually equal to the extraction rate


Being a scientist generally means you tend not to rely on assumption.

WIDrakeKiller wrote:These guys actually do this for a living.

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apexhunter wrote:some researchers and scientists believe that the renewal rate is virtually equal to the extraction rate


And im sure these guys are just putzing around in their spare time...
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Re: OIL in US

Postby High Sierras » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:25 pm

WIDrakeKiller wrote:In a class in college and my professor showed us a map of the oil in different countries around the world. Basically what the end point was is that the US doesn't have enough oil to last very long on her own if she started drilling all her own. This isn't info from a political website either just thought its interesting because I always here people talk about why the US isn't producing all of its own oil. Thats all.



I'm curious WIDrakeKiller... What was the name of the class, and what is the subject matter being taught? What I'm getting at, if the class was a chemical engineering class on "petroleum refinement procedure", it paints a whole different picture on the prof's bias from an environmental science class on "global warming". The factoid I've heard is that we (the US) have more known petroleum deposits under our own land than all of Saudi Arabia. Unfortunately, the environmentalists have managed to mis-label the land or seabed the deposits are under as "wilderness area" or "fragile ecosystem" or some such rubbish, so our oil companies can't get to them, or the oil is in a form that is financially not viable at the current market prices.



Want to lower gas prices? Have the government start charging a tarrif for all of the gas and diesel being exported. You did know we're a net exporter of refined fuels, right? Only problem, "Big Oil" would stop investing in refining here and move to Mexico or elsewhere they can make the biggest profit. Don't get me wrong, I understand capitalism, a company needs to put it's shareholder's interests first. That's why the refineries are here in the first place. A few years ago, about the time of the deep water horizon accident, Venezuela nationalized a few of the deep water drilling rigs US companies had in their waters under contract (ie, legally stole them). Refineries are expensive, and Big Oil doesn't want them nationalized (ie, stolen), so they build them here under the US's protection.
I think it was last summer... I was listening to a radio talk show (The Tom Sullivan Show). The host was trying to understand why gas prices seem to flutuate so much. During the show, Tom had a person who claimed to be a mid-level management type from one of the major US refiners. The caller said that gas prices here at home wasn't about domestic supply & demand, the oil companies here in the US sell fuels on a global market. Diesel here should be cheaper than gas, as it is less refined (and thus cheaper to make), but they can put it on a ship to India or China and sell it there for more than they sell it here. When Tom Sullivan asked him if he ever had problems with jacking the prices up here, since it hurt 'our' economy...the caller said that they didn't care if fuel prices here hit 10 bucks a gallon, if it did, their profit margins went up enough that it was a wash financially to them. Imagine that, they keep the refineries here to protect them, but then feel no obligation to help the US economy that protects their interests. That's why I have no sympathy when they get dumped on by the Feds or sued by the greenies or denied access to our own local oil reserves -- you live by the sword, expect to die by it also. I'd love to see a congressman with the guts to push a bill though congress that prohibits fuels refined from domestic crude from ever being exported, and then start re-leasing the oil reserves to companies that will keep the fuel production right here at home. I'll bet prices at the pump would drop, and hopefully our economy (which runs on energy) would start to pick back up.
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Re: OIL in US

Postby apexhunter » Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:32 pm

High Sierras wrote: Diesel here should be cheaper than gas, as it is less refined (and thus cheaper to make), but they can put it on a ship to India or China and sell it there for more than they sell it here. When Tom Sullivan asked him if he ever had problems with jacking the prices up here, since it hurt 'our' economy...the caller said that they didn't care if fuel prices here hit 10 bucks a gallon, if it did, their profit margins went up enough that it was a wash financially to them.


It is funny...I had a conversation with a former top executive from an oil company (CFO as a mater of fact) and he described the deal with diesel in a different light. According to him the issue is how we crack the crude here versus abroad (Europe is a good example). Here we crack it for gasoline and products like kerosene and jet fuel, diesel and other products are a bi product with less supply and a growing demand. Europeans and other countries crack cruse for diesel and gasoline is a by product so therefore their automtive technologies are more geared towards uber high efficient diesel engines because it is more prevalent and cheaper there.

Either way it really comes down to the big oil companies moving with the global market and the fact that our domestic market (from the ground to your gas tank) is so governmentally controlled that we may never see what could be deemed as "affordable" gas prices. After all, when Nobama decrees all fossil fuels to be extinct in a generation how could we? It all falls into the farce known as global warming and the fact that the Gov't gets more taxes from higher price gas so they don't want it to go back down; even as they atempt to do away with it all together. Similar to Hillary's debacle with her version of healthcare when Bill was POTUS. Her vision was a system funded by tobacco tax but at the same time she was attempting to totally do away with tobacco products...tell me how the economics of that works!
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Re: OIL in US

Postby boney fingers » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:53 pm

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High Sierras wrote: Diesel here should be cheaper than gas, as it is less refined (and thus cheaper to make), but they can put it on a ship to India or China and sell it there for more than they sell it here. When Tom Sullivan asked him if he ever had problems with jacking the prices up here, since it hurt 'our' economy...the caller said that they didn't care if fuel prices here hit 10 bucks a gallon, if it did, their profit margins went up enough that it was a wash financially to them.


It is funny...I had a conversation with a former top executive from an oil company (CFO as a mater of fact) and he described the deal with diesel in a different light. According to him the issue is how we crack the crude here versus abroad (Europe is a good example). Here we crack it for gasoline and products like kerosene and jet fuel, diesel and other products are a bi product with less supply and a growing demand. Europeans and other countries crack cruse for diesel and gasoline is a by product so therefore their automtive technologies are more geared towards uber high efficient diesel engines because it is more prevalent and cheaper there.

Either way it really comes down to the big oil companies moving with the global market and the fact that our domestic market (from the ground to your gas tank) is so governmentally controlled that we may never see what could be deemed as "affordable" gas prices. After all, when Nobama decrees all fossil fuels to be extinct in a generation how could we? It all falls into the farce known as global warming and the fact that the Gov't gets more taxes from higher price gas so they don't want it to go back down; even as they atempt to do away with it all together. Similar to Hillary's debacle with her version of healthcare when Bill was POTUS. Her vision was a system funded by tobacco tax but at the same time she was attempting to totally do away with tobacco products...tell me how the economics of that works!



When I bought my first diesel in 97 fuel was .95 and gas was .1.35. Since then two things have changed: 1 taxes have increaced more on diesel than on gas, 2 low sulfer fuel was mandated which cost billions in updating refinerys which was passed to the consumer.
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Re: OIL in US

Postby buckmeister » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:08 pm

You need to listen to the former CEO of shell oil, he would tell you between the US and Canada we are fine for the next 200 years in regards to oil and gas. In fact we could become net exporters in the next ten years.
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Re: OIL in US

Postby buckmeister » Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:21 am

Even NBC is running a special this week on energy in America. We are poised to become the largest energy producers in the world by 2020. Just seven years from now. Even NBC has to admit because of the technological breakthroughs of Horizonatal hydraulic fracturing we are able to get to oil reserves we thought we could never get too and they are turning out to be much, much, much larger than we thought.

Tell your professor he is a babling fool and that if his marxist green energy proffesors will get the hell out of the way the American free enterprise system will create prosperit,y reduce the national debt and create wealth.
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Re: OIL in US

Postby aunt betty » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:13 pm

buckmeister wrote:Even NBC is running a special this week on energy in America. We are poised to become the largest energy producers in the world by 2020. Just seven years from now. Even NBC has to admit because of the technological breakthroughs of Horizonatal hydraulic fracturing we are able to get to oil reserves we thought we could never get too and they are turning out to be much, much, much larger than we thought.

Tell your professor he is a babling fool and that if his marxist green energy proffesors will get the hell out of the way the American free enterprise system will create prosperit,y reduce the national debt and create wealth.
The very last company that manufactured buggy whips made the finest quality whips there ever were but only made 300-400/year. I'm sure at some point...near the end of the energy-game...America actually WILL be the largest energy producer in the world but...the capacity will be so low that it's not even worth talking about.

In a nutshell, we're being misled. Where to? Your guess is as good as mine but my guess is...BUM BUM BUMMMMMM
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Re: OIL in US

Postby Butta boom » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:33 pm

Dear aunt Betty,
We are exporting gasoline now in major quantities. Our countries ability to put these products into the world market is a good thing. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with gas or diesel, they are in fact the reason that lower class people around the world but especially here, are not enslaved by subsistence Agriculture. The ability to mechanize the planting of crops has liberated millions of people worldwide. Without that advancement, crops are planted and harvested by hand. Those folks, often young women, have no opportunity to be educated, or pursue a life away from stoop labor in order to survive.

I can understand that an urban dwelling, sheltered auntie might not understand subsistence Agriculture. But if you were to be trapped in that situation, as millions are worldwide, you would look at a thirty row corn planter as the mechanical equivalent of Abe Lincoln. And it can only run on diesel. Drill baby drill, thrive baby thrive.

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Re: OIL in US

Postby aunt betty » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:51 pm

Butta boom wrote:Dear aunt Betty,
We are exporting gasoline now in major quantities. Our countries ability to put these products into the world market is a good thing. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with gas or diesel, they are in fact the reason that lower class people around the world but especially here, are not enslaved by subsistence Agriculture. The ability to mechanize the planting of crops has liberated millions of people worldwide. Without that advancement, crops are planted and harvested by hand. Those folks, often young women, have no opportunity to be educated, or pursue a life away from stoop labor in order to survive.

I can understand that an urban dwelling, sheltered auntie might not understand subsistence Agriculture. But if you were to be trapped in that situation, as millions are worldwide, you would look at a thirty row corn planter as the mechanical equivalent of Abe Lincoln. And it can only run on diesel. Drill baby drill, thrive baby thrive.

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Dear Butta Boom. I am fully aware of the things you speak of. I ask you this. When we run out of fossil fuels, what next? It's comfortably off in the future so the answer is..."we'll figure it out when we get there".
I am here to say that all this technology and luxury that fossil fuels bring us humans...is temporary and will be paid for in the future with extreme misery and starvation. You are in denial.
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Re: OIL in US

Postby dakotashooter2 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 5:31 pm

As I understand it North Dakota is currently #4 in oil production in the US and is poised to take over the #1 spot within a couple years. And we are only drilling in the western 1/4 of the state. Im told the oil companies are drilling test holes all the way to the eastern border and finding oil..... however some of it is VERY deep. I think a mix of about 50/50 US and Foreign oil would be a GOOD thing. It would keep us from tapping out our supplies too fast and/ or screwing up our environment too fast yet maintain a reasonable supply at reasonable costs. Since the US won't really let any refineries be built in this country I'd like to see a few come up right on the Canadian/US and Mexican/ US borders.......
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Re: OIL in US

Postby Butta boom » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:39 pm

aunt betty wrote:
Butta boom wrote:Dear aunt Betty,
We are exporting gasoline now in major quantities. Our countries ability to put these products into the world market is a good thing. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with gas or diesel, they are in fact the reason that lower class people around the world but especially here, are not enslaved by subsistence Agriculture. The ability to mechanize the planting of crops has liberated millions of people worldwide. Without that advancement, crops are planted and harvested by hand. Those folks, often young women, have no opportunity to be educated, or pursue a life away from stoop labor in order to survive.

I can understand that an urban dwelling, sheltered auntie might not understand subsistence Agriculture. But if you were to be trapped in that situation, as millions are worldwide, you would look at a thirty row corn planter as the mechanical equivalent of Abe Lincoln. And it can only run on diesel. Drill baby drill, thrive baby thrive.

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Dear Butta Boom. I am fully aware of the things you speak of. I ask you this. When we run out of fossil fuels, what next? It's comfortably off in the future so the answer isY..."we'll figure it out when we get there".
I am here to say that all this technology and luxury that fossil fuels bring us humans...is temporary and will be paid for in the future with extreme misery and starvation. You are in denial.


If denial means that I don't want to be enslaved right now, I am in denial. The doomsday energy shriekers are beginning to run out of breath, and facts. We ain't runnin out of anything except common sense. Allow the market to work, we have many irons in the fire, don't pick favorites, the biggest drag on the economy now is the tax on gas and diesel. Increased demand for fuel will spur innovation, it always has and will in the future. The poor can't afford to go to work with these taxes on gas, they go on welfare or disability instead. Can't you see that?
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Re: OIL in US

Postby Duck Diver » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:19 am

Didn't read the 14 replies, but what most people miss out on about drilling is....


Oil goes to the world market. We can increase our US drilling by 300% and not see much change in fuel prices.


Policy change first, then drill more.
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Re: OIL in US

Postby Butta boom » Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:58 pm

Take a look at the commodities markets, they are very good at responding to world supplies of anything. When production exceeds demand, there will be an adjustment in price. The biggest obstacle to price at the pump relief is the vertical integration of the majors in station ownership. These guys prevent the stations from buying from anyone else. They fight every attempt to deliver ethanol blends, to the extent of making franchisees pay outright for the blend pumps.

A refiner could decide to sell product for less, to increase market share, but no retailer can buy it since they are franchisees of the majors.

The cozy relationship between the current regime, that loves high gas prices, and the majors that finds those same prices attractive, needs to be broken up.
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Re: OIL in US

Postby aunt betty » Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:15 am

According to swamp's rehypothication scandals and Assa's LAW of 50/50 I'll say there is a 50/50 chance there are people out their investing in, betting on...oil that does not exist.

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Re: OIL in US

Postby cluckmeister » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:30 pm

I had a history teach in HS that made a comment about oil . He said the main thing the US learned from WW2 was that what ever country had the most oil in all likely hood would always win a non nuclear war. Why , jet fuel, ship fuel, tank fuel. He also said the US has all the oil it needs but will never produce it in any great quantity. Its called stock piling for a rainy day. We will use every ones but ours. That was 45 years ago and sometimes I think he was right. He also said the government will never truly disclose how much oil we actually have underground that hasn't been produced.
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Postby MontanaNewbie » Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:35 pm

An answer to your question - I can't say the accuracy of this but I work in the North Dakota oil field as I speak, and what I have heard repeatedly is that the oil coming out of this part is so pure that it takes such a small amount of time to be refined. I do believe that. What these people have told me is that due to it spending so little time at the refinery it costs way more than what the US public would be willing to pay for it. In turn, it is being shipped overseas.
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Postby aunt betty » Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:01 am

If nodak oil is so pure and vast...why do they call it the nodak oil patch and not the nodak oil FIELD?
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Re: OIL in US

Postby High Sierras » Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:57 pm

aunt betty wrote:
Butta boom wrote:Dear aunt Betty,
We are exporting gasoline now in major quantities. Our countries ability to put these products into the world market is a good thing. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with gas or diesel, they are in fact the reason that lower class people around the world but especially here, are not enslaved by subsistence Agriculture. The ability to mechanize the planting of crops has liberated millions of people worldwide. Without that advancement, crops are planted and harvested by hand. Those folks, often young women, have no opportunity to be educated, or pursue a life away from stoop labor in order to survive.

I can understand that an urban dwelling, sheltered auntie might not understand subsistence Agriculture. But if you were to be trapped in that situation, as millions are worldwide, you would look at a thirty row corn planter as the mechanical equivalent of Abe Lincoln. And it can only run on diesel. Drill baby drill, thrive baby thrive.

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Dear Butta Boom. I am fully aware of the things you speak of. I ask you this. When we run out of fossil fuels, what next? It's comfortably off in the future so the answer is..."we'll figure it out when we get there".
I am here to say that all this technology and luxury that fossil fuels bring us humans...is temporary and will be paid for in the future with extreme misery and starvation. You are in denial.

:lol:

Yes, AB, the technology and luxury that fossil fuels brings us is temporary. The time span could arguably be measured in how many generations from now... but you are right, it is temporary. But when your great grandchildren are old and swinging on the porch swing at the old folks home, and oil and coal finally run out, with the rate of technological advancement we now enjoy, we'll have perfected the successor to what will then be known as that primitive form of energy, "cold fusion"... which we havent even scratched the surface of yet.

And the only future humans that will be paying with "...extreme misery & starvation..." will be the left leaning colonists who moved to that far-off 'green' planet "Liberalis" in the hopes of living in harmony with nature. Where they banned the development and use of cold fusion reactors because some day, as the doom and gloomers like to remind us, the universe will run out of hydrogen & helium. And we all know that the lack of helium will lead to a future filled with extreme starvation & misery.

The rest of us back on planet earth will be planning on what planet we want to go on vacation this summer and wondering why all those wrongheaded folks on Liberalis don't ever write back to us.
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Re: OIL in US

Postby dakotashooter2 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:02 pm

I've heard it said that the oil reserves in the US far exceed what is in the middle east. Just some food for thought but doesn't it make sense that areas of the world that have had the most and luscious plant life would have the most oil and coal reserves. While the middle east appears to have been lush rainforest at one time in the earths history , for many millions of years it's probably been producing little on no "new" oil, being largely a desert or arid plains.

I believe that while a new energy source is out there we may be 100 or 200 years away from the breakthrough needed to find it. And no matter how hard the government tries it is unlikely they can "force" that breakthrough.
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Re: OIL in US

Postby Duck_Happy » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:02 pm

High Sierras wrote:
aunt betty wrote:
Butta boom wrote:Dear aunt Betty,
We are exporting gasoline now in major quantities. Our countries ability to put these products into the world market is a good thing. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with gas or diesel, they are in fact the reason that lower class people around the world but especially here, are not enslaved by subsistence Agriculture. The ability to mechanize the planting of crops has liberated millions of people worldwide. Without that advancement, crops are planted and harvested by hand. Those folks, often young women, have no opportunity to be educated, or pursue a life away from stoop labor in order to survive.

I can understand that an urban dwelling, sheltered auntie might not understand subsistence Agriculture. But if you were to be trapped in that situation, as millions are worldwide, you would look at a thirty row corn planter as the mechanical equivalent of Abe Lincoln. And it can only run on diesel. Drill baby drill, thrive baby thrive.

Full bellies and shotgun shells for all.
Dear Butta Boom. I am fully aware of the things you speak of. I ask you this. When we run out of fossil fuels, what next? It's comfortably off in the future so the answer is..."we'll figure it out when we get there".
I am here to say that all this technology and luxury that fossil fuels bring us humans...is temporary and will be paid for in the future with extreme misery and starvation. You are in denial.

:lol:

Yes, AB, the technology and luxury that fossil fuels brings us is temporary. The time span could arguably be measured in how many generations from now... but you are right, it is temporary. But when your great grandchildren are old and swinging on the porch swing at the old folks home, and oil and coal finally run out, with the rate of technological advancement we now enjoy, we'll have perfected the successor to what will then be known as that primitive form of energy, "cold fusion"... which we havent even scratched the surface of yet.

And the only future humans that will be paying with "...extreme misery & starvation..." will be the left leaning colonists who moved to that far-off 'green' planet "Liberalis" in the hopes of living in harmony with nature. Where they banned the development and use of cold fusion reactors because some day, as the doom and gloomers like to remind us, the universe will run out of hydrogen & helium. And we all know that the lack of helium will lead to a future filled with extreme starvation & misery.

The rest of us back on planet earth will be planning on what planet we want to go on vacation this summer and wondering why all those wrongheaded folks on Liberalis don't ever write back to us.


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