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Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby BrowningBlaster » Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:54 am

I just patterned my gun and is horrible with standard Browning 12 ga BPS Invector plus choke tubes. I am looking to get a waterfowl choke tube, mostly shooting divers on big water and geese in corn fields. I am interested in your experience with these tubes and your recommendations. I am shooting 3" Winchester Expert shot BB-#4's depending on wind, or what bird I'm shooting. I would like to know what make, constriction, and shot size you are using, and also what type of hunts you do.

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Re: Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby mysticwolf » Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:01 am

I used a Browning BPS for 15 years and I useed a Pattern Mater choke tube and loved it, I now shoot a Browning Gold with the same choke tube, and I shoot federal ultra shock #2 at everything, that works for me.
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Re: Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby triplecurl » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:44 am

Can't give a personal review on the patternmaster because I have never owned or patterned one, but my buddy has one and likes it. I shoot a Kick's High Flyer Mod and like it alot. Either one will probably work just fine.
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Re: Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby duckslayer74 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:49 pm

I've owned both chokes and I hated my Patternmaster. I have the Kicks in Xfull, Full and Mod. The Mod choke with 2 shot and BB is great at distance and the Full does great with 2 shot or smaller.
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Re: Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby Camocynergy » Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:00 pm

I have an extended range PM, and it patterns #4 Xperts really well. I also had great results with it shooting upland game with lead #8s and #7.5s. The Brileys waterfowl chokes also did well, and the Browning Grand passage waterfowl chokes. They all shot comparable to me with #2s. The brileys were in the passing and extreme range constriction, and imp mod and full for the grand passage chokes. Haven't used the code black PM yet, just sits in the choke case.
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Re: Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby REN12 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:42 pm

Have yet to use a Kicks choke for waterfowl, but I have for turkey. By far the best choke I have used for that particular application.
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Re: Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby Bernie P. » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:30 am

FWIW-I'm just getting back into waterfowl hunting after a long layoff.Lead was still legal last time out.I have no exp with Pattern Master but I have some exp with Kicks and have three on the way.I ordered the High Flyers in Mod,F and XF.I can tell you they're great to deal with.If the choke you get doesn't work out they will exchange it for another.
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Re: Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby TomKat » Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:04 am

NEITHER Carlsons makes a great choke...why is it not one of the choices?
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Re: Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby duckslayer74 » Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:31 am

TomKat wrote:NEITHER Carlsons makes a great choke...why is it not one of the choices?


Maybe he wants a ported choke????????
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Re: Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby BrowningBlaster » Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:35 pm

Thanks for all your input. I am still confused as to why there is a more than $20 difference between the two brands. If they both perform well, why not go with the cheaper one?
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Re: Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby rebelp74 » Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:05 pm

I got a Kicks High Flyer extra full for all my shotguns b/c I like tight patterns and it patterned great in my berreta so I tried it in my other guns and they patterned great with it. I use them to hunt everything from ducks and geese to squirrel and dove I have had no problems. I got them in 10, 12, and 20 gauges.
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Re: Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby Cdphotos82 » Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:12 pm

I recently purchased the Patternmaster Code Black Duck tube and absolutely love it. It smokes birds!!
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Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby TomKat » Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:02 pm

BrowningBlaster wrote:Thanks for all your input. I am still confused as to why there is a more than $20 difference between the two brands. If they both perform well, why not go with the cheaper one?


What are your thoughts on the Carlsons choke tube?
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Re: Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby SOMDcRAB » Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:03 pm

i have been debating the two. i have been doing some reading on the two and the main difference is the Patternmaster has studs that strip the wad away from the shot leaving a tighter and shorter pattern. The high flyer is smooth. and that being said, the patternmaster has a 1550 fps max. this makes me lean to the high flyer because there is some shot out there like the fast steel with the 1 1/8 oz shot and hypersonics and other brands that have shot that are pushing the 1600 fps mark. also the patternmaster has a different choke for black cloud and blind side. I know many of these different shot dont apply to you, its more i have not settled with a certain brand. So i am in the same dilema, do i go with the pattern master but stay with the slower shells or go with the high flyer where i can shoot anything i want.
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Re: Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby BrowningBlaster » Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:34 am

SOMDcRAB wrote:Patternmaster has studs that strip the wad away from the shot leaving a tighter and shorter pattern


Great observation, never noticed that before. I do believe that this would eventually wear out, and also restrict what shot fps can be shot thru it, as they state. I do not want to be restricted with the new technology that is coming along. Hopefully PM will keep up with technology and make new and better designs. As for me I am sold on the Kick's High Flyer, any shot can be fired, smooth bore technology, easier on the wallet and most of the votes go for them as well. Thanks for all the input, you guys are a great help.

SOMDcRAB wrote:also the patternmaster has a different choke for black cloud


FYI: From what I have found Kicks also offers a different choke for Black Cloud. I'm not sure why, someone will probably chime in and say why, maybe because of the flite stopper pellets that they put in the shot and could wear out the choke tube faster.
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Re: Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby Bernie P. » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:08 am

I think the reason is the wad used in Black cloud ammo.
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Re: Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby AaronR » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:29 am

BrowningBlaster wrote:FYI: From what I have found Kicks also offers a different choke for Black Cloud. I'm not sure why, someone will probably chime in and say why, maybe because of the flite stopper pellets that they put in the shot and could wear out the choke tube faster.


Not sure the exact reason but I was told to not shoot any of those shells with the different pellets as Black Cloud or Blind Side in the chokes that are ported like Kicks High Flyer. I I believe the Black Cloud choke is ported but they are long slits instead of small holes.
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Re: Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby SC_Quackman » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:48 pm

I sold my patternmaster after I shot using the Kicks chokes. I will never buy another choke other than Kicks. What's funny, is I have now convinced every last person who hunts with me to use Kicks. They now talk about them they they used them forever, funny.

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Re: Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby kharvey1999 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:01 pm

I shoot and SXP (Invector Plus). For me, I like the Kicks X-Full with 3in. BBs, BBBs, or Ts of any brands. I cant speak personally, but my friends PM Code Black swelled inside the gun and got a wad one day... So he now has a new gun and my same choke.
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Re: Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby Nelliboy2 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:35 pm

BrowningBlaster wrote:
SOMDcRAB wrote:Patternmaster has studs that strip the wad away from the shot leaving a tighter and shorter pattern


Great observation, never noticed that before. I do believe that this would eventually wear out, and also restrict what shot fps can be shot thru it, as they state. I do not want to be restricted with the new technology that is coming along. Hopefully PM will keep up with technology and make new and better designs. As for me I am sold on the Kick's High Flyer, any shot can be fired, smooth bore technology, easier on the wallet and most of the votes go for them as well. Thanks for all the input, you guys are a great help.

SOMDcRAB wrote:also the patternmaster has a different choke for black cloud


FYI: From what I have found Kicks also offers a different choke for Black Cloud. I'm not sure why, someone will probably chime in and say why, maybe because of the flite stopper pellets that they put in the shot and could wear out the choke tube faster.

PM is also an ic bored tube. The studs are what gives you the constriction. Gimmick in my eyes as I have had a a couple of sets for my sbe2 and nova and couldn't get decent patterns.

Kicks are more of the traditional constriction. I've had good luck with them. One of the post on here was about shooting clouds through the high flyer. You can shoot clouds through the high flyer tubes safely you just may not produce the best patterns with them. I've been slowly burning up the last of my case or clouds off to get rid of them. Never had a problem.


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Re: Kicks vs Pattern Master

Postby kcwellington » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:22 pm

forget both of those. indian creek!!!!! u will not be sorry!
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