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Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby Gabagool » Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:20 pm

Any suggestions? I want to keep the price below 600-700. I want to use it for duck hunting primarily, but will also use it for upland and skeet. I don't know where to start
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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby ohio mike » Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:43 am

Used Browning or Ruger.
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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby blackduck_killer » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:57 pm

If you must have new, while not nearly as finely finish as the Browning, Beretta, Winchester or other high end guns, Baikal produces a solid, if somewhat crude and heavy but dependable gun.
The used market especially in the USA is full of other great deals and options, Winchester 101's, Browning Citoris, Beretta and so on, get out there and handle as many as you can and make up your mind.
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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby dsm16428 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:24 pm

CZ Red Head or a Mossy Silver Reserve. :thumbsup:
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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby flyndutchman » Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:30 pm

Why do you want a 20ga O/U for duck hunting? Upland and skeet they are great. Unless you are willing to spend the extra dollars for heavier than steel loads, the 20 is definitely lacking. I know this will stir the pot with a lot of 20ga shooters. Besides the light 20ga guns have a lot more recoil with the heavy loads needed for waterfowl hunting. My 20ga Citori gets used for grouse, quail and the occasional chucker hunt while the 12ga semi-autos shoot steel at ducks. Lots more flexibility of loads for the 12ga.
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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby Gabagool » Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:46 pm

flyndutchman wrote:Why do you want a 20ga O/U for duck hunting? Upland and skeet they are great. Unless you are willing to spend the extra dollars for heavier than steel loads, the 20 is definitely lacking. I know this will stir the pot with a lot of 20ga shooters. Besides the light 20ga guns have a lot more recoil with the heavy loads needed for waterfowl hunting. My 20ga Citori gets used for grouse, quail and the occasional chucker hunt while the 12ga semi-autos shoot steel at ducks. Lots more flexibility of loads for the 12ga.

I'm looking to try something different. I was tempted to even try a .410. Plus they are just cool guns. I don't do a lot of upland hunting, but when I do I would definitely use it. I looked at the mossberg silver reserve but it just wasn't well put together. The ruger is cool but the trigger selector is a bit odd and I have heard they can be problematic. The Stoger condor seems like a relatively inexpensive option. I just don't know a lot about these guns
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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby Jkling12 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:07 pm

I just picked up a baikal mp310 from budsgunsshop for around 450 with a lifetime Warrenty through them. If shoots great and has yet to have a problem with a few hundred rounds through it. It's Russian made and everything I have heard says they are built to last compared to the mossberg and other cheap o/u.
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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby flyndutchman » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:46 am

If something different is your idea then buy the best you can afford because steel load recoil will beat it up. Go up a $100 and look for a used Citori. The best thing about it will be you can get your money out of It if you don't like it. They are a solid built, classic gun. Much stronger and well put together than any of the cheaper O/U's.
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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby dakotashooter2 » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:44 am

I'm one of those that will argue that there is nothing wrong with a 20 ga for duck hunting. Pattern density can really start to suffer beyond 40 yards but I never shoot that far anyway. Some 20s are built on 12 ga frames some have their own frame size. The ones built on their own frames are really fast but recoil is a bit more.

I actually shoot my 20 ga better than my 12 dispite the fact that the 12 fits me much better. My 20 is a Tristar and my 12 a red label..... Once I get through my supply of steel for the 12 I'm going to try swap it for a red label in 20 ga. My tristar has probably seen 3-4 boxes of steel a year and a case of lead for the past 5-6 years without a hitch (knock on wood). My only complaint is that the top barrel shoots low (7/8 of the pattern below POA). I also have a set of four tenner tubes for it which are fun. I use xfull turkey chokes when I put the tubes in and get a good enough pattern to bust 22/25 clays pretty consistently.

One note: about the cheaper guns. If you go that way, try shouldering several guns in the model you want before picking one. Many of the cheaper guns can have significant variation in cast and/or drop. I picked up a Baikal once that could have been used for a hockey stick...................
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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby hamernhonkers » Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:29 pm

flyndutchman wrote:Why do you want a 20ga O/U for duck hunting? Upland and skeet they are great. Unless you are willing to spend the extra dollars for heavier than steel loads, the 20 is definitely lacking. I know this will stir the pot with a lot of 20ga shooters. Besides the light 20ga guns have a lot more recoil with the heavy loads needed for waterfowl hunting. My 20ga Citori gets used for grouse, quail and the occasional chucker hunt while the 12ga semi-autos shoot steel at ducks. Lots more flexibility of loads for the 12ga.



You a little recoil sensitive?? A 20 bore duck load with a lot of recoil?? Maybe your gun didn't fit you right?

I really have never meet a heavy recoiling load from a 20 myself but I have really only been shooting them heavy for the last 7 or so years.

As far as going cheaper on the guns.........most would say you have a 50/50 chance of getting a good one. I myself have been lucky and had 3 (lower cost) o/u's that have yet to give me a issue. 2 of those stoger condors and one a mossy silver reserve. One of the stogers has well in excess of 10,000 total rounds through it with about 2 grand of those being kent faststeel loads.

As far as pattern work here is the link to when i was playing with my sx3 and some new chokes. These patterns will kill 40 yard ducks just fine :thumbsup:

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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby cootlover » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:39 pm

If you cant kill a duck at 45 -50 yards with a 20 gauge you should go back to shooting school and if you go by the internet shooting experts you shouldn't shoot past 35 yards anyway so a 20 gauge will work just fine. PS the duck hunt is just around the corner :thumbsup:
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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby Gabagool » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:40 pm

Recoil is not an issue for me. Especially with a 20ga. I shoot3.5's regularly from my Benelli and it cant be much worse than that, so I aint too scared of a 20ga.
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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby tubbalowski » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:54 pm

Get yourself a condor. Quality 20 O/U.

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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby Gabagool » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:28 pm

Nah, no good.
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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby Jon Bergren » Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:01 pm

I have a 12 ga Condor. Great gun. I shoot alot of 20 ga style loads in it. The Yildiz is an excellent 0/U also. They are handled by the Academy. The Condor uses Win chokes. I have an extended IC and Lite Mod in mine by Trulock. They were on the sale bench for $10 each when I bought my Condor from Gander for $180. Ned S
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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby tubbalowski » Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:14 pm

I like the condor. Quality gun. Since I've owned it I've taken a lot of loads, never a hiccup.
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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby DuckManClyde » Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:59 pm

I can definitely vouch for the condor as well, our family owns 2 of them ( condor and longfowler ) Both guns shoot great. mines the longfowler and i shoot everything with it, from trap to ducks. But theres always the supreme models for another 100$. ( better wood and ejectors) but either way, i highly recommend stoeger. Make sure you go online to register them for their warranty.
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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby ohio mike » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:41 pm

cootlover wrote:If you cant kill a duck at 45 -50 yards with a 20 gauge you should go back to shooting school and if you go by the internet shooting experts you shouldn't shoot past 35 yards anyway so a 20 gauge will work just fine. PS the duck hunt is just around the corner :thumbsup:


And if your killing all the ducks you shoot at that are 50 yards away you need to invest in a range finder.
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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby tubbalowski » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:14 pm

ohio mike wrote:
cootlover wrote:If you cant kill a duck at 45 -50 yards with a 20 gauge you should go back to shooting school and if you go by the internet shooting experts you shouldn't shoot past 35 yards anyway so a 20 gauge will work just fine. PS the duck hunt is just around the corner :thumbsup:


And if your killing all the ducks you shoot at that are 50 yards away you need to invest in a range finder.

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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby DuckManClyde » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:17 pm

*young immature tone* oh, oh, oh yea well NED shoots at sandhills 65 yards + and drops em dead w/ his 935!So, uh yea take that! Maybe you auta talk to him bout shootin dem long shots
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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby mudpack » Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:11 am

I am in the Citori camp. I have a Ruger 20ga Red Label, and while it is a sweet gun to carry in the pheasant and quail fields, it is far too light to shoot heavy waterfowl loads. With 3" loads, it kicks far more than 3.5" loads in my Xtrema2 for example.

Do yourself a favor and avoid AT ALL COSTS the cheap Russian/Turkish crapguns; the Condor, the Baikal, the CZ, the Silver Reserve. Their reliability and user satisfaction levels are far below that of the Brownings, Berettas, etc. All guns are not created equal. A few guys claim the crapguns are reliable. Far more guys offload them rather quickly.

Some say they are a good value for the money. In reality, what they mean is "well, at least it was cheap".
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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby Elvis Kiwi » Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:58 am

Ive used a lot of Baikals and only ever seen one that wasnt up to par. they are built like the proverbial brick out house and work well.
my work/bash around gun is a single Baikal and she shoots like a dream. :thumbsup:
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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby orphanedcowboy » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:32 am

Yildiz and have $150 left over

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Re: Looking for a 20ga over under

Postby tubbalowski » Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:30 am

You're welcome?
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