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20ga for 13yo??? sugestions???

Postby MSduckslayer2013 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:06 pm

I'm looking for a good reliable 20ga for my little nephew. He has taken an interest in duck hunting and currently has a 4.10 that is definetly way to "pretty" for a duck hunt lol! I'm mainly looking for something that i could maybe pick up at a pawnshop for around $200 to $300 dollars. Pumps are great but autos will be taken into consideration if i could find a good used one...im gonna say anything with a 26" barrel should be fine..
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Re: 20ga for 13yo??? sugestions???

Postby winchester1852 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:24 pm

get him a 12 ga.
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Postby DuckManClyde » Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:31 pm

Not sure if your interested in youth, but the winchester 1300's ( pump ) are right around your price area, other option is a mossberg or even a used rem 870. The used 870s at my local gun shop are just under 200$, i cant see you paying much different from that.
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Re: 20ga for 13yo??? sugestions???

Postby MSduckslayer2013 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:44 pm

winchester1852 wrote:get him a 12 ga.

only problem is that he is kind of intimidated by the 12... i asked him if he wanted to shoot my benelli nova and he said no so im not gonna force him on something like that. but i'll listen to your reasoning
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Postby MSduckslayer2013 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:46 pm

DuckManClyde wrote:Not sure if your interested in youth, but the winchester 1300's ( pump ) are right around your price area, other option is a mossberg or even a used rem 870. The used 870s at my local gun shop are just under 200$, i cant see you paying much different from that.

winchester 1300's new are in my price range???
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Re: 20ga for 13yo??? sugestions???

Postby Justin Weber » Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:54 pm

I shot a 20 at that age. The kick of a 12 guage can cause bad habits when the shooter is that young. The old suck it up attitude is not the best approach. Taking the time to have him comfortably shokt what be likes until hes ready to shoot a 12 is your best bet.
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Postby BurninPowder » Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:57 pm

Youth 870 20GA, 21" barrel, shortened LOP, simple operation, interchangeable chokes, 3" capable, extremely reliable, affordable in the new or used market and makes damn fine turkey gun! :biggrin: Still use mine for the ground birds and occasionally for rabbits.
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Postby orphanedcowboy » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:57 am

12ga reduced recoil loads, he'll get there and it wont imtimidate him as much as a 2oga pump
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Re: 20ga for 13yo??? sugestions???

Postby z51 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:46 am

Mossberg 500 Bantum pump 12or or 20 your choice. Much smoother than the Remington. Easy to add longer stock and barrels later.
Leave him room to grow at low cost. I would go the 12, they weigh about the same. Lot's more flexibility with a 12.
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Postby DuckManClyde » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:13 am

MSduckslayer2013 wrote:
DuckManClyde wrote:Not sure if your interested in youth, but the winchester 1300's ( pump ) are right around your price area, other option is a mossberg or even a used rem 870. The used 870s at my local gun shop are just under 200$, i cant see you paying much different from that.

winchester 1300's new are in my price range???


no not new, i was in the shop just the other day the guy had a nice clean youth 20ga for 250 bucks.
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Re: 20ga for 13yo??? sugestions???

Postby winchester1852 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:57 am

MSduckslayer2013 wrote:
winchester1852 wrote:get him a 12 ga.

only problem is that he is kind of intimidated by the 12... i asked him if he wanted to shoot my benelli nova and he said no so im not gonna force him on something like that. but i'll listen to your reasoning



he's going to out grow the 20ga in one season.
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Postby mudpack » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:09 am

MSduckslayer2013 wrote: I'm mainly looking for something that i could maybe pick up at a pawnshop for around $200 to $300 dollars. Pumps are great but autos will be taken into consideration if i could find a good used one...im gonna say anything with a 26" barrel should be fine..


Sounds like you're restricted by a budget to whatever you can find in a pawnshop. If that's true, then our recommendations won't mean a whole lot. Take what you can get.
If you happen across two or more good possibilities in a second-hand store, let us know. We will be better able to voice opinions on specific guns for the young man.
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Postby Sagebrush » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:26 am

A 20 Auto will reduce part of the recoil through its system and with a high quality recoil pad,
you will have a gun that should work if......... it fits him !!
A bad fit can also cause recoil and missed birds.

I started on a single shot 20 and advanced to a pump then finally got a used Browning A-5 12 Ga.
The main thing is a gun he feels comfortable with.

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Postby BurninPowder » Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:11 pm

winchester1852 wrote:
MSduckslayer2013 wrote:
winchester1852 wrote:get him a 12 ga.

only problem is that he is kind of intimidated by the 12... i asked him if he wanted to shoot my benelli nova and he said no so im not gonna force him on something like that. but i'll listen to your reasoning



he's going to out grow the 20ga in one season.

I disagree. At least 15 years later and at 30 years old I still use my youth 870 on a semi-regular basis. Given it is not my "got to" for fowl, turkeys, or rabbits but I still use it and trust me, it kills stuff just as dead as the 12s I own. The reduced weight and increased maneuverability of a smaller gun comes in handy chasing turkeys for distances and long footed rabbit hunts. In fact lately I've run into several adults seeking out these "youth models" due to these characteristics in an effort to build specialized turkey guns.
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Postby pantano » Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:50 pm

My 3 kids have used the Youth Rem 870 20ga pump starting at 11 years old. Easy for them to handle, has worked great, and you can find them in your price range.
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Re: 20ga for 13yo??? sugestions???

Postby winchester1852 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:08 pm

BurninPowder wrote:
winchester1852 wrote:
MSduckslayer2013 wrote:
winchester1852 wrote:get him a 12 ga.

only problem is that he is kind of intimidated by the 12... i asked him if he wanted to shoot my benelli nova and he said no so im not gonna force him on something like that. but i'll listen to your reasoning



he's going to out grow the 20ga in one season.

I disagree. At least 15 years later and at 30 years old I still use my youth 870 on a semi-regular basis. Given it is not my "got to" for fowl, turkeys, or rabbits but I still use it and trust me, it kills stuff just as dead as the 12s I own. The reduced weight and increased maneuverability of a smaller gun comes in handy chasing turkeys for distances and long footed rabbit hunts. In fact lately I've run into several adults seeking out these "youth models" due to these characteristics in an effort to build specialized turkey guns.



didn't say 20g a is not going to kill. just he's going to out grow the gauge and eventually get a 12ga so why not start with a 12ga buy once. 20 and 12 not much different in recoil depends on the gun itself . i can use a stick and it will kill just as well as the 12s i own .
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Postby Elvis Kiwi » Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:48 pm

how pray tell me is his .410 too pretty to be used????
and if you reload shotgun I would go with a .12ga with reduced loads..there is not alot of difference between a 3/4oz out of a .410 and a 7/8thoz from a .12ga. a good single break open .12ga wont break the bank and is easy to tell at a glance if its loaded...not so the pump/semi. get the youngun out and a few birds under his belt before you spend a bigger amount on something special..you can cut down the stock on a elcheapho single without it bringing a tear to your eye and if you prune it further than you think needed a slip on recoil pad will dampen things way down further still. if you can find an astra cyclope with external hammer you will have a great gun. fixed modified choke and easy as to use. I went to one after the single .410 .
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Postby MSduckslayer2013 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:16 am

Elvis Kiwi wrote:how pray tell me is his .410 too pretty to be used????
and if you reload shotgun I would go with a .12ga with reduced loads..there is not alot of difference between a 3/4oz out of a .410 and a 7/8thoz from a .12ga. a good single break open .12ga wont break the bank and is easy to tell at a glance if its loaded...not so the pump/semi. get the youngun out and a few birds under his belt before you spend a bigger amount on something special..you can cut down the stock on a elcheapho single without it bringing a tear to your eye and if you prune it further than you think needed a slip on recoil pad will dampen things way down further still. if you can find an astra cyclope with external hammer you will have a great gun. fixed modified choke and easy as to use. I went to one after the single .410 .

i say the 4.10 is too pretty because it is a shotgun that cost 2,000 dollars that his grandpa won for him at a trap shoot! it has gold and silver along the receiver, and the most beautiful walnut i have personally ever seen on a shotgun! he brought it last duck season for youth weekend and submerged it....i almost cried when i picked it up to find mud and dirt all over it..SOOO i cleaned it vigorously when we got home and made it look like new, but i told him if he liked duck hunting enough that i would take him as much as possible next season but he has to promise me never to bring that gun again!!! and that i would find him a good 20ga to use and he said alright! thats why its too pretty lol
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Postby cluckmeister » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:59 pm

Yesterday I went to a local gun show and found 2 Winchester Model 1400 XTRs , both guns were in excellent condition, one was a 12 the other a 20. I bought the 20 for 230.00 bucks and after getting it home and inspecting it on the insides, I bet it hasn't had 10 rounds shot thru it. You might look into one of these
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Postby Elvis Kiwi » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:55 pm

yip that .410 surely does sound like bring on pheasant day while wearing tweeds. :grooving:
lucky lad it will be a family heirloom that can go to the gun club and be used with pride.
do you reload .12ga???
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Postby MSduckslayer2013 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:34 am

i do not reload 12's
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Postby gearhead80 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:56 pm

I am not a Remington or Mosberg fan, but I got my step-son a youth Mosberg because he is a little smaller and the youth 870 was too big for him at this point. Plus the Mosberg comes with a stock extention for when he does get bigger. Just something to think about. Now my buddies kid is only 2 years older but is way bigger and shoots a full size now after starting with a youth 870.
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Postby shoveler_shooter » Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:25 pm

winchester1852 wrote:
didn't say 20g a is not going to kill. just he's going to out grow the gauge and eventually get a 12ga so why not start with a 12ga buy once. 20 and 12 not much different in recoil depends on the gun itself . i can use a stick and it will kill just as well as the 12s i own .

This. A 2 3/4" 12ga load is still gonna be more effective than a 3" 20ga load (denser patterns), with similar recoil. At that age you may as well start with a 12. It'll get more pellets out there and give him a better probability of knocking something down or killing cleanly, and will be more effective on larger birds.
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Postby Justin Weber » Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:19 pm

shoveler_shooter wrote:
winchester1852 wrote:
didn't say 20g a is not going to kill. just he's going to out grow the gauge and eventually get a 12ga so why not start with a 12ga buy once. 20 and 12 not much different in recoil depends on the gun itself . i can use a stick and it will kill just as well as the 12s i own .

This. A 2 3/4" 12ga load is still gonna be more effective than a 3" 20ga load (denser patterns), with similar recoil. At that age you may as well start with a 12. It'll get more pellets out there and give him a better probability of knocking something down or killing cleanly, and will be more effective on larger birds.

He will learn to swing better with a 20 gauge. A shot considered hard by many that should be and is a give me shot. I didnt start shooting a 12 until I was 15 years old. My Dad always used a 20 gauge for geese and had to sit around and wait for his buddies to shoot a limit with their 12's. Obviously a 12 gauge is the load of choice by waterfowlers and is more effective at killing ducks. I still think its better to have a kid start out on a 20 to teach him to shoot better in essence if that makes sense. Theirs more room for error with a 12 guage. A 20 and 12 also have quite a bit of recoil difference to. Go grab a 3" load of each and you will notice. I might just bring a 20 gauge on my next goose hunt!
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Postby cluckmeister » Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:16 pm

winchester1852 wrote:

didn't say 20g a is not going to kill. just he's going to out grow the gauge and eventually get a 12ga so why not start with a 12ga buy once. 20 and 12 not much different in recoil depends on the gun itself . i can use a stick and it will kill just as well as the 12s i own .

Winchester1852, the young man will out grow the gun, not the gauge and if he turns out to be a fellow that loves hunting, thru the years, I venture to say he will end up owning several different types of guns as well a variety of gauges

BTW my favorite gun for shooting doves and teal over decoys, is a Remington Model 1100 G3 20 gauge.
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