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Escort shotguns?

Postby Tgunz_64 » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:49 pm

My brother is in the market for a 12 gauge shotgun. A store near me has an Escort supreme for 329.99. I know there are TONS of other options that are probably better. But he's just looking for something cheap and mainly for upland. Just looking for reviews from people that have shot or own an Escort semi auto. Please don't tell me he should by this or that. Just looking for opinions on the Escort. I own a couple of higher end semi autos and he's well aware of how good they are. He's on a budget and just wants a cheap 12ga. And I know very little about them and the reliability of them. Thank you!
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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby 10gaOkie » Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:59 pm

First, I am not a long time owner of the Escort. So, I cant talk about its durability and operation over the long haul. The first thing that jumps out at me is that 329 price! Is that for a new gun? Normally, the Escort Supremes go for about 579 for the norm in new condition. I own several Benellis, a Beretta, a Browning, etc. I felt that the Escort compared nicely to my other guns. Frankly, I liked it alot or I would not have bought it. At the beginning of this past season I bought the 20ga and I liked it so much I bought a 12ga four days ago. I like the way it looks, the way its put together and its balance. Both of mine are the Supreme with 3" chambers.
On the negative side, the length of pull is a little long and there is adjustment for making it longer but not shorter. I will have to cut both of my stocks and install new recoil pads. The recoil pad that comes on the gun is poor. Also, they do not come with sling swivels. I found that I can order both 20ga and 12ga mag caps with swivels for $10 each from Legacy. The one feature that pulled me toward this gun the most is its black chrome plated barrel. Thus, no worry about rust on the barrel. Its bore is white hard chrome lined. Both of my guns take Rem choke threads. At that 329 price, its a steel. I have never heard of such a price! Wish I could have found one for that. But I couldnt be any happier than I am with mine even paying way more. Of the way the Escorts are built, they should last a couple of lifetimes.

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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby Tgunz_64 » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:21 pm

I believe it's the supreme. The tag didn't specify and I didn't look closely enough on the gun. But the only option on the website were the supreme and extreme. It's only a 3" so I figured supreme. It's a black synthetic. Anyway thanks for the info! And yes the price was 329 brand new. They don't deal with used guns at this store.
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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby 10gaOkie » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:58 pm

I am not an expert yet on the Escorts. However, I have seen the synthetic stocked versions online for over $125 less than the wood stocked ones. The best I can tell, the synthetic stocked model is the Extreme. The wood stocked is the Supreme. Both of mine are the Supreme. There is also an SupremeMax which is a 3.5" chamber model as well as a ExtremeMax model. So, the 329 would have really been a steel for the Supreme.

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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby Tgunz_64 » Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:45 pm

Ya I'm not sure. I'll be going there tomorrow so I'll take a closer look and see which model it is.
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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby 10gaOkie » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:07 pm

I have only seen a Extreme model in the box, so I cant give you much info on it. I have done a complete tear down of one of my Supremes. There is nothing about it that doesnt look first class with all the parts, fit and finish. Of all the reviews I have read online, all were good reports. The only neg feedback I get about the Escort is from guys that had a buddy that they fell apart on. Not from actual owners. I am sure the Escort gets more than its share of bad publicity just because of its affordable price and nothing more. Where as everytime I turn around, I see guys reporting problems with the new Browning A5 and the Beretta A400, both $1700 guns and add the SBE2 to the wash also. I am not bad mouthing these fine guns, however, from what I read, I would be scared to make the purchase of one. I will throw this in though, the O ring on my Supreme was in the wrong place as it came out of the box. My first shooting trip with it proved that something was wrong. Recoil was excessive and it was not cycling as it should. I quickly figured out the misplacement of the O ring, put it where it should be and all was fine. This could have caused some real problems to someone that was not familar with shotguns and how they operate. Or at least a case of sour grapes. This could have been a problem that occured from one of the salesmen in the store I bought it from as he obviously did not know where the correct position of the O ring was either. How often do you buy a new shotgun and check the O ring?

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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby flyndutchman » Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:52 pm

Chris, that is interesting that your Escorts take the Rem choke. The older models took the Benelli Mobil choke so there must be some changes made. All I can say is I hope they were good changes. My old hunting partner had a left handed one bought two years ago that spent from Oct 2012 to Sept 2013 being repaired after the bolt broke. That was the second time back for repair. The first time because the point of impact was over a foot low and eight inches to the right. It came back the first time with the rib dished in like they tried to bend the barrel up.
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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby mudpack » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:29 am

Tgunz_64 wrote: he's just looking for something cheap....


The Escort meets that criteria. As long as he doesn't expect the Escort to be a Bargain Beretta, he will probably be okay with the gun. Some Escorts are reliable, some are not. It's probably as good, generally, as any other cheap Turkish/Russian/Chinese shotgun. They are all entry-level guns, intended for those who consider low price to be the only priority in choosing a shotgun.

He should NOT expect it to handle and perform as well, or be as reliable as, a B-gun or an R-gun, or a W-gun. If he does, it will be money wasted for him. If he keeps his expectations low, he won't be (too) disappointed.
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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby z51 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:50 am

If you are looking for a gas gun in that price range Academy has the A71 wood stocked gun with 5 chokes for $399. It is backed by a 3 year warranty handled by Briley. I bought a 20 last year and the gun shoots dead on and patterns 3 "
Steel quite well with the factory MOD choke. Fit and finish are quite good and it shoots 2 3/4" lead Fed 7/8 oz loads at 1210 fps up to 3" steel.
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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby Tgunz_64 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:35 am

I wish we had Academy sports up here but unfortunately they haven't come to Minnesota yet.
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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby Tgunz_64 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:05 pm

I took another look at the Escort and it just says Escort Magnum. But on the Escort website they don't show just a magnum model. It's either Supreme or Extreme. So does anyone know anything about the Magnum model?
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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby mudpack » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:23 pm

Tgunz_64 wrote:I wish we had Academy sports up here but unfortunately they haven't come to Minnesota yet.

They have free shipping on that gun to Minnysota.
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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby 10gaOkie » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:02 pm

Just do an online search and key in "Escort Magnum" You will find all kinds of reviews and pics. From what I can tell, all Escorts are stamped with magnum on them. The Escort Extreme Magnum, just has Magnum on the side of the receiver and has synthetic stocks with matte black finish metal. Again, I see guys that actually own Escorts praise them while guys that claim to have a buddy that has one bad mouth them.

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Postby flyndutchman » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:53 pm

I was merely posting what happened to the gun my partner got. I feel bad about it because I bought it for him. He did shoot it some last season and it held up so far. The new models I have seen in the one local shop looked like they had changed the bolt design so good for them. I personally went with the SA-08 for a 20ga. For the money the Turkish made guns will usually work if they fit you.
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Postby 10gaOkie » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:04 pm

I found the length of pull on both the Yildiz and Escort is too long for me. As I stated, cutting the stock to the correct length was part of the deal. Since I can do it myself, I can live with it. I am six foot tall and normal length arms. All other shotguns that I own, american made, plus euro made were correct LOP for me. Just the Turks seem to be off on that measurement.

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Postby z51 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:51 am

The LOP on my A71 is @ 14 3/8" with spacers. The wood stock is much easier to shorten or otherwise alter than any synthetic. That's why I usually recommend wood stocked guns for females. The Yildez O/U is almost an inch longer.
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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby waterfowlhunter » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:34 am

10gaOkie wrote:Both of my guns take Rem choke threads.


10gaOkie,
I have 4 escorts, 2 Supremes and 2 pumps. 2 in 20ga and 2 in 12 and all of mine are Benelli / Beretta Choke tubes, I find it interesting that yours would be Rem choke.

I bought the pumps new in the box for $125 each and they are very nice and solid guns but I have not fired them much so I can not give any long term report on them. The Supreme semi-autos are ok guns but I have found that neither one will shoot slugs to POA, They shoot about 18" left at 50 yards thru any choke I tried with them. I had an older model of these years ago and it was complete junk but the new ones (look to be 11-87 copies in a way) seem to be a lot better.
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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby waterfowlhunter » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:39 am

Tgunz_64 wrote:A store near me has an Escort supreme for 329.99!


that is about $150 under dealer cost on these. if it is a supreme he should buy it for that price.

I am going to pick up one of the extreme 3.5" versions this spring just to play with. I like the way they feel and they shoulder great for me.
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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby 10gaOkie » Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:39 am

I can do anything I need with a 3" chamber gun. I mostly shoot 2 3/4 all the time anyway. Only rarely do I shoot 3". Spending extra money for the 3.5" gun would not be something I would need or have use for. My SBE never sees a 3.5 shell go through it. Frankly, I dont want to put up with the extra recoil either.

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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby Indtruckman » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:11 pm

It's a great gun, I called Escort about L/H 20 and they told me it was going to take a Hugo choke. When I got the gun it had a V2 choke system and you cannot buy aftermarket chokes. Call Escort with no help and I wanted them to take it back. If you buy Escort only buy V1 or V3 Choke system only. When lie to me about your product, I will never buy again from you.
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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby 10gaOkie » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:31 pm

My 20ga Escort that I bought a few months ago has Rem chokes in it.

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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby Tgunz_64 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:51 pm

So they don't have a set system of choke tubes? Sounds pretty dumb. So certain models take different chokes and also what year it was built? Hmm...
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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby 10gaOkie » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:59 pm

With Goosepit's help, this is what I came up with concerning the chokes. This should be a reliable guide when making a Escort purchase.....

20ga, V1 = Huglu threads
20ga, V2 = Rem choke threads

12ga, V1 = Mobil threads
12ga, V2 = unique threads
12ga, V3 = Rem choke threads

Most of the Escorts on dealers shelves or current production guns, should have the Rem choke threads. By using this guide, you will know what you are getting. The chokes will be marked either v1, v2 or v3.

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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby mudpack » Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:24 am

Good info, Okie. Thanks for the help. :thumbsup:
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Re: Escort shotguns?

Postby solway gunner » Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:52 pm

Tgunz_64 wrote:My brother is in the market for a 12 gauge shotgun. A store near me has an Escort supreme for 329.99. I know there are TONS of other options that are probably better. But he's just looking for something cheap and mainly for upland. Just looking for reviews from people that have shot or own an Escort semi auto. Please don't tell me he should by this or that. Just looking for opinions on the Escort. I own a couple of higher end semi autos and he's well aware of how good they are. He's on a budget and just wants a cheap 12ga. And I know very little about them and the reliability of them. Thank you!



There hasnt been many guns over the years that have generated such hatred for a design as these things after they swamped the UK market 8years ago,they arent just bad they are seriously atrocious.
Cheaply made ,poor build quality and the most unreliable autoloader ever made .Youl will lose your money as resale value on used ones is as appealing as fresh dog turd and you will end up giving it away as the dealer will give you enough change for a cab ride home if you offer it back to him-if your lucky.
Most guys on here havent owned them 5minutes-although i know some that havent worked new out of a box and if you bought a 3.5" version and tried Fed blackcloud through one i wouldnt be surprised if it lasted half the box before it fell to bits.At best you can expect a season out of one if you use lively ammo,then its downhill thereafter.
Save your money,look for a clean used Rem 1100 mag or Berretta 300 series/Benelli -whatever- dont think your giving yourself a new shotgun for secondhand money because your not.Stay clear.
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