cannon wrote:Alright then, trap shooting aficionados who are certain that only a "real" trap gun will do for anyone who could ever hope to be a contender on the line: what is the right trap gun? And don't hand me any "the one that fits" crap, either -- if you have two functional arms, any gun can be modified to fit properly. I've heard that one must not use a "hunting" gun for trap if he or she is serious about the sport (FWIW, I suspect that Tim Bradley & Knapp, we're he alive, would both disagree). Nonetheless, the experts have spoken. So, Educate me. What qualifies a firearm as an appropriate trap gun? Suspension bridge sights? Fat stock? Well figured furniture? Price tag in excess of $15,000? Release trigger? Ported barrel? Flames painted on the side? Lengthened forcing cones? Back-boring?
If it's longevity, a $700 BT-99 will get me to the end of my life. If it's pattern performance it's a crap shoot, especially when trying to fine tune 2 barrels that are designed to shoot at different trajectories. If it's fit, I can have ANY gun modified to fit any way I want it. If it's porting, I can't see the utility in it. If it's light recoil, there's no sense in shooting some high-dollar unsingle. Make me understand what brand of dedicated trap gun is the right one, and why. Thus far, my exposure to competitive trap is limited to the the school team my daughter shoots on, but if high dollar guns make you a better shooter, these kids are clearly retarded.
I'm open to debate on the subject, as my daughter is new to competing, and I'll certainly do what's necessary to advance her if she decides that she's serious about it (she's only 13). On the other hand, I watched her shoot next to a 16 year old kid who was sporting a Perazzi. He shot a 10. She shot a 22 with a stock Browning Silver Hunter. The girl on her other side shot a perfect round with a Maxus. The other two on the line were sporting doubles. One I could readily identify as a 725 trap, but the other I wasn't sure about. They both shot in the teens. They obviously missed the memo.
What are the top 3 winningest guns in the sport of trap, both in a contemporary setting and in terms of historical performance over the last 30 years? Is there any consensus among those of you who claim expertise as to what the top 10 guns in the sport are? Other than an adjustable stock and possibly an elevated rib, what is the difference between an 1187 premier and an 1187 Trap? 391 and 391 trap?
Like I said, educate me.
Nick Roehl wrote:Anymore of it on the open forum will result in a 2 week time out. You know the type you give to children when they won't listen.
R. Chapman wrote:[I have all three of my guns set up to shoot anywhere from 90/10 to 110/0 and ...
mudpack wrote:R. Chapman wrote:Nope. There are guys that have their pattern striking 120/0-130/0. Not a typo.
Okay, tell me how you can have 120% of a pattern. Please.
3200 man wrote:You are on the right track Chapman .
With both beads lined up , looking down the rib the back bead is covering the front bead , from there as you elevate
your eye so more of the front bead is showing , until there's a gap between the back bead and the front , the pattern moves up
inline with the center of the bore ( hopefully ) . POI height is determined by how much percentage of the pattern is above
line of site ( 60/40 , 70/30 , 90/10 ect: ) . That is center of the bore to center of the pattern ! Now , this is regulated
for shorter distance shooting , because if you cant the gun at all , the shot doesn't travel to center of where you are aiming ,
this is magnified as the distance gets greater and on a angled target . Spot shooters , ones that try to hold high guns and
trap the target do fairly well ( at times ) using this method but , let the wind blow , and the targets being blown up or down ?
Well lets just say , it wasn't their day
Hand a Waterfowler a gun that shoots higher than 60/40 , and have a good laugh !
3200 man wrote::thumbsup: You must be very fast shooting 16 yds targets , I see a few fast shooters here on the west coast to .
Thinking when a target leaves the arm of the trap and travels 15 to 20 feet and then turns to dust in the air , it's impressive ,
but , it takes control of the gun to do it . Most 16 yd shooters shoot targets 28 to 32 yds from the line , with shooting them
at 21/22 yds , takes a very quick move and very good eyes to determine the angle of the target and if you're shooting
anything but a skeet choke , you would have a pattern the size of a basketball or smaller . This is great if you can do it but ,
most top shooters shoot a Mod ( .020 ) choke for 16 yd targets or they just shoot their handicap barrel which is full or X full
for singles so , by shooting targets at 21/22 yds , the pattern would be the size of a soccer ball , not good for competition
targets when at 28 to 32 yds the pattern would be more forgiving even with 7/8 oz loads . Thank goodness you have the
ability to not CANT the gun when you make your move , with a gun set-up to shoot 110 % high , just a few degrees off center
of the vertical line with a 12/13" pattern , could cause you to miss the target ?
I always thought Texans liked Big things , you must be one of the few ?
3200 man wrote:I'm with you there , if it wasn't fun after 45 yrs of competing , I surely won't do it ! I don't shoot a lot of registered targets
any more but , I do love Games targets ( Annies, Longshot ) ,with invites up and down the state , along with Sporting Clays
shoots , I'm happy to compete . I do win my share of money in these shoots as , with registered targets , there is no money
to be made any longer , like the past ! I also know what Good and Bad days are like , along with the drive homes , Thinking !
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