Kurt, thank you for your input. You do bring up a very valuable point about the problems and issues with the 105 cti 2. The average consumer/hunter, who wants to shoot a lot clean very little and not have to deal with actually reading the instructions manual, should not purchase this gun. This gun does require more care then a SBE 2 and even some other gas autos, but to me cleaning and proper maintenance is part of the relationship and responsibility involved in owning a firearm.
I am not saying that you are an average consumer, I am just stating I see and understand your viewpoint, but to me maintenance is not that big of a deal.
Also about the grease part, my firearm has been functioning quite reliably (not flawless) without grease since I got it, because I did not know about needing to grease it, until I read the instruction manual in even greater depth (the same could be said about the SBE 2's problem with people not understanding that the return spring in the stock needs to be cleaned every once in a while).
The 105 cti is not as finicky as it sounds, all firearms have advantages and limitations. So while the SBE 2 is a great gun and design, I can guarantee you, that my shot to kill ratio or clay per shell ratio, has greatly improved since I abandoned shooting my SBE 2 and starting using my 105 cti exclusively. I did have the SBE 2 shimmed to fit me and everything, but I could never quite shoot it nearly as well. The 105 cti fits me a lot better, and my improved shooting shows this, like I mentioned above and what is mentioned on a lot of other topics in the shotgun forum, fit is the most critical component. Even with the SBE2 being adjustable I could not get it to fit right. Cleaning it less was nice, but I would much rather clean my shotgun more often and bag more birds.
In addition, I personally find the owning one of the only bottom eject semi-automatic shotgun in the history of shotguns is pretty cool. So am I a die-hard? No, not really, I just found something that works for me, and works very well. So if "it is not broke, then don't try and fix it" is my take on things.
The continued discussion of this topic is for those 105 cti owners of potential owners who have questions about the firearm, or want to discuss how there 105 cti's are performing out the in the field. This is purely an information topic that I started, to increase everybody knowledge about the 105 cti (since it is so limited in reviews). Since I started this topic it has served its purpose well, it has helped many people make a decision of whether or not to purchase this firearm. It seems that it helped you in making the decision/conclusion that the 105 cti would not be a good fit for you. I am just trying to provide unbiased information about the shotgun, and my opinions of its performance in the field and range. I am not trying to hide anything, because I have been the victim before of making a huge investment in a firearm because there was little information or reviews on it, and the performance of the firearm was terrible, and it was quite frustrating. I don't want people to have to experience that. Anyways, thanks again for your input, I do appreciate it.
oh and it is my only gun now, and I own two of them. So I guess I am a little nuts. And I have been eyeballing a potential third one.