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Do you like Bismuth ?

Postby Sagebrush » Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:22 pm

I have used EVERYTHING except "super shot & Bismuth.

Bismuth is soft like lead and will not harm old or new shotguns, even with a Full choke screwed in. :thumbsup:


What loads for decoy & pass shooting do you use ?

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Postby thaner » Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:59 pm

I got a good deal on it a few years ago and shot it for a while. Ran out last year. When I had it I used the #5 over decoys for ducks and #4 also for ducks over decoys and out to reasonable range. Killed them dead! It was like using lead again or at least close. I used the BB on geese and same thing, dead! Ran out and went back to shooting up my old steel, not good. Using the fast steel now and some hevi I got a deal on last year and they are both good. I really like the Biz. when I could afford it. It worked great for me. I will stick with the new fast steel it works great but I will miss being able to shoot the old model 12's.
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Postby CrackerJackShot » Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:09 pm

You havent used Bismuth yet?!?!?! wow. It is really good I think. Its too expensive for me now. We used it on snow geese and it worked pretty darn good. If it was closer to the price of steel I would shoot it all the time. Try it out, you just might be pleasantly suprised!!! :thumbsup:
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Postby MrCamoClad » Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:13 pm

My buddy got a really good deal on Bismuth for his 10 guage two years ago. The stuff worked great. He knocked down a bunch of Canadas that year that most likely would of required a second knock down shot.

I really liked how it patterned - I would use it - BUT its WAY too expensive for my liking.

Ill stick to steel and work on my calling to get them in range.

BUT - If you have an older shotgun that you really like with a fixed choke - its the way to go.
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Postby Sagebrush » Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:48 pm

Mr CC;

You mean that I can blow the dust off of my Browning A5 , 30" tube with a FULL choke, and put into action again?

Looks like things are looking up for the old "smokers".

Thanks for the info. :thumbsup:
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Postby 870 » Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:23 pm

I had a box given to me to try out when it first came out. I wasn’t all that impressed with it. The only big difference I saw between it and steel was the price. How can any hard-core blue color duck hunter afford it? As much as I hate steel I’ll stick with it, a case of it is a lot cheaper. PLEASE PLEASE Mr Fed let us use lead...... again!!!
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Postby MrCamoClad » Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:27 pm

Sagebrush wrote:Mr CC;

You mean that I can blow the dust off of my Browning A5 , 30" tube with a FULL choke, and put into action again?

Looks like things are looking up for the old "smokers".

Thanks for the info. :thumbsup:


Sage - So they say - According to Bismuth - I have a beautiful Franchi 12 with a fixed Full choke that I love - but I havent used it in years. I may buy a box or two and bring her back out for early season next year.

Back when we could shoot lead - I was deadly with that gun.
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Postby Sagebrush » Thu Feb 23, 2006 11:21 am

Bismuth is the ONLY non-toxic shot that is SAFE for old guns !!

Hardness scale: Lead@12 Bismuth@27 Steel @ 200

Only lead & Bismuth can be flattened with a pair of pliers !!


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Postby easternshorehunter » Sun Feb 26, 2006 4:31 pm

i got a box two years ago when i was having trouble with my 870 to shoot my great grandfathers model 12. worked awesome...got like 7 or 8 honkers in 10 shots using 2 3/4 #4s. after i used up that box, i got some 3 inch BB and used that through the 870 and rolled geese as well. all were shot between 10 and 35 yards at landing geese.
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Postby T-Bone » Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:29 am

Sagebrush wrote:Bismuth is the ONLY non-toxic shot that is SAFE for old guns !!

Hardness scale: Lead@12 Bismuth@27 Steel @ 200

Only lead & Bismuth can be flattened with a pair of pliers !!


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Huh???

Tungsten/Matrix from Kent is also SAFE to use in older guns; rated for lead shot.
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Postby Sagebrush » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:10 am

T-BONE;

Lead 12 Bismuth 27 steel 200 on the hardness scale.

Steel can not be flattened with a pair of pliers like Bis or lead.


Oh yea, that Tungsten stuff with iron, tin & moly to hold everything together...........on the hardness scale it is rated at 260 !!

Put a 3 1/2" load of "TTT's" through a full choke and see what happens
if they are so safe for old guns.
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Postby T-Bone » Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:08 pm

Sagebrush wrote:T-BONE;

Lead 12 Bismuth 27 steel 200 on the hardness scale.

Steel can not be flattened with a pair of pliers like Bis or lead.


Oh yea, that Tungsten stuff with iron, tin & moly to hold everything together...........on the hardness scale it is rated at 260 !!

Put a 3 1/2" load of "TTT's" through a full choke and see what happens
if they are so safe for old guns.


Sagebrush -

Apparently you are NOT familar with TungstenMatrix from Kent Cartridge Co. It is NOT the same as say TungstenIron from Federal and like products. Per the box:

"TungstenMatrix may be used in any nitro-proofed shotgun without fear of barrel or choke damage. Traditional lead choke constrictions and shot size recommendations apply."

I use TungstenMatrix in a 60+ year old, full choke, 16ga. Remington M31. It shoots and kills like lead.

I am NOT personally attacking you, Sagebrush, but you seem to be running TungstenMatrix together with steel and other much harder tungsten alloy products. From my understanding, Kent makes their product from a tungsten dust and polymar-type mix. Like Bismuth and lead, TungstenMarix is the only product SAFE to use in older guns.

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Postby T-Bone » Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:12 pm

To read more from the source:

http://www.kentgamebore.com/main/products.asp
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Postby CrackerJackShot » Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:08 pm

Yeah I was just reading up in one of my manuals and its the Tungsten-Iron that is really hard. Tungsten Matrix is soft....
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Postby Sagebrush » Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:08 pm

T-Bone; you were right....I still don't know how they got Tungsten
"soft". Must have used a lot of nickle , tin, copper ?

It is too bad they don't bottle it for reloading...... :smile:

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Postby pennsyltucky » Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:43 am

the tungsten in it is still very hard, but the polymer that the tungsten dust is fused to makes it a soft and forgiving pellet. i call it "Hevi-plastic"....


2 of my friends used it this year and did ok. they did the same as with steel.
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Postby Sagebrush » Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:01 pm

If I did not reload my shells, I know that the Kent ammo would be the
way I would go, no doubt in my mind. I have heard nothing but
great feed back on this great load.

It took a long time coming out of Canada, where they made the test,
but it finally got here. I have been following it for a long time. They just had to test it out on the ducks first c/o different "samples" of this
and that, in the chemical makeup of the shells. I saw one segment on TV
years ago where two hunter were shooting ducks, testing some loads.
They just called it "poly" back then.

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Postby EnglishGun » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:10 am

Not trying to upset you all but Tungsten Matrix was invented in the UK buy Gamebore, now part of Kent Cartridge and I'm really sorry to say it IS available for reloading in the UK!! :yes:
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