Precision Reloading BISMUTH manual SUCKS !!

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Precision Reloading BISMUTH manual SUCKS !!

Postby Sagebrush » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:56 am

It only cost $8.00, now I know why !

It only has 4 loads for 12ga 3.5" loads, 4 loads for 3" , and 7 loads
for the 2.75" hull. ( c/o Buffer )

Most of the loads are with Blue Dot and they use Fed 209 primers
which have the "high" psi.....w209 primers are much better due to lower pressures....Dah ?

Only a few with Alliant steel, and NONE wit Hodgdon Longshot powder.

Am going to check out Ballistic Prod, they HAVE to have a BETTER
manual than this one........

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Re: Precision Reloading BISMUTH manual SUCKS !!

Postby pennsyltucky » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:48 pm

Sagebrush wrote:....w209 primers are much better due to lower pressures....Dah ?

Only a few with Alliant steel,
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sage u really need to quit posting that about w209's. its not true in more than 60% of the loads i have.

also y on earth would u want to use STEEL with bismuth? 1 1/4 oz loads in 2 3/4 hulls with herco or even blue dot are great with bismuth. 1300fps is almost too fast for that stuff.
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Postby Sagebrush » Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:17 pm

1300fps is too fast for Bismuth ?

Why? What happens ?

How come Hodgdon has it at 1450 fps ?
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Postby pennsyltucky » Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:36 am

because waterfowlers think they need the speed (they have a steel shot mindset)

bismuth flys away at that speed. unless u can figure out a way to buffer it and cushion it. it deforms like lead, and it also fractures. even in factory loads (which are usually less than 1275) u lose a bit of ur shot to fracture.
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Postby Citori12 » Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:21 am

That is why I use steel and not bismith or hevi......its cheaper....if I am not shooting lead which I do not in waterfowl loads but certainly do for pheasant loads..its steel. hevi is cost prohibitive and bismith does fracture and performs poorly at 1300fps or faster.
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Postby 870 » Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:36 pm

Fracturing, besides the cost is why I won’t use Bismuth. It looked like pepper in the meat, not a good thing :thumbsdown:
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Postby Sagebrush » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:00 am

NOW YOU TELL ME ! :hammering: :hammering: :hammering:
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Postby Citori12 » Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:29 am

If you shoot larger bismith at slower speeds it works ok...just do not plan to have some velocity behind it.
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Postby Sagebrush » Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:10 pm

Well, I have 5 loads to test, from 1270 to 1350fps. All with BUFFER !

When the weather get nice ( & dry ? ) again, I will put them on paper

at 50 & 65 yards. What ever it takes to get a 70% pattern.

Will let you all know the good or bad news. I will tell no lies, what you
see, is what really happened! Just don't have any gelatin blocks.

Maybe I will get lucky and see a "yote" :salude:

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Postby Citori12 » Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:04 pm

Sage, remember that bismith is soft. Therefore, I would suggest that you use the choke that you patterned lead with the best..and go from there. I would hate to see ya burn up 50$ worth of bismith to get a decent pattern....Kiddin!!!!
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Postby Sagebrush » Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:48 am

I will have the "full tube" stuck in the end, for sure. I have a turkey
for my O/U, but think it might be a little "over kill" and also way too tight for this load. However the manual does list one turkey load....hummmm.

Still bad weather here in Nev. Snow & rain......Can't even go fishing.

Pretty bad when you are retired and have to stat home !! I am like you (C12) just putting hooks in the vise, or getting caught up on trap loads.


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Postby Citori12 » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:15 am

All the weather we could have gotten to help out our waterfowl season is happening now. We have big front in right now. Though we do not have alot of snow....Went to a gun show with my pappy yesterday and aquired another 11-87 for 400 dineros and inherited my fathers pre-64 winchester model 70 featherweight .30-06...it was a good day. Tyin flys and reloading ammo.
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Postby Sagebrush » Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:03 am

A pre 64 Win 06.........?

HOW SWEET IT IS.....!!! Does it have the little hole in the end of the
bolt handle ?

Keep it up & U will have to add on to the place ! :thumbsup:

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Postby Citori12 » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:51 am

Yes there is a hole in the bolt handle. I sent a PM explaining how I got it. Its a shooter for sure. You do not see pre-64's around and I have only seen them in Cabela's gun room.
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Postby river hawk » Mon May 08, 2006 6:53 am

I have allways used lead shot data for bismuth reloading, adjusted it as i felt fit , for protection and buffering, is there any reason why you should have special data for bismuth i was not aware of this. i do go out on my own a bit with my reloads but so far i have stayed alive. :mrgreen: i have had many loads tested at Gamebore in Hull and have worked up my own loads from what results i have got back and any available data i have on the powder and components i am using in the load. What are the problems with bismuth over lead loads with regards preasure safety etc.
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Postby Citori12 » Mon May 08, 2006 7:08 am

Reloading without published data is risky business at best. But if you have a chamber pressure gauge you most certainly can work up your own loads staying well inside safe pressures. Bismith is not the exact same weight per pellet as lead. But just let me know when you touching one of those loads off so I can stand clear. For hunting loads each shot weight and powder charge is measured individually for me. One thing is for safety, the second is I know exactly how many pellets and how fast my loads are and I also know that the round to round consistancy is exact. But that is just me. I also do not go through near as many hunting loads as I do for target. I shoot and reload up wards of 2 to 3 thousand target loads a year and my average for hunting loads is about 2 1/2 rounds per duck, and about 1 1/2 rounds per goose. This year that average was much lower as the birds that responded to calling and decoys comitted hard the rest would have nothing to do with me. So I took very few shots at cagy birds this year.
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