Just read the post, had to do my own test. Cut open two 12gauge 2 3/4" #4's, one 20 gauge 3" #4. These were Winchester X-Pert High Velocity load's, for the most part they were pertty similiar in size some were different, alot of them had dimple's in them, hardly found one that was round, most of them were oval, or egg shaped, there was even a few that had hole's in them, and very dirty when I picked them up my hand's were filthy. Very shocked and dissapointed with this discovery. I also cut one Remington 12 gauge 2 3/4" #2, and a Fedral 20 gauge 3" #2 apart, and looked at them. That is what shot is supposed to look like, all the same size, almost perfectly round, everyone of them to, they were also very clean. Don't know if it is true but I heard they coat steel shot with something, I would believe it on the Remington, and Federal's, they almost appeared like they were shined on a buffing wheel. I will not be buying anymore Winchester Ammo period, even if there cheaper shell's can't be made with some quality, makes me wonder how much they're putting into there high dollared shell's. I never had much problem with hitting bird's with the X-pert's but my brother-in-law claim's you have to be an expert to use X-Pert shell's. Going to try the Kent steel never used it before. Thank's for the post!!!