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Postby rlp1970 » Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:37 am

The load is an 1oz and a 1/8th. I guess that will make a big differrence right.
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Postby Sagebrush » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:53 pm

You mean a 1 1/8 oz ??
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Postby Citori12 » Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:06 am

???????? I am not sure what this question means??????
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Postby ohsobad_hunter » Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:38 am

Hes asking if going from a 1oz to a 1-1/8 oz will make a difference. If you are shooting a 12, 1oz for ducks is not enough. I wouldn't go below a 1-1/8oz load for ducks. You can get 1-1/4 oz loads that shoot 1450 fps, thats plenty fast and you got a good amount of energy for a good kill. :thumbsup:
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Postby Citori12 » Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:21 am

I disagree with that statement. Because a 7/8oz steel load is equivelent in pellet count as the standard 1 1/4oz duck and pheasant lead load which was the staple of most waterfowlers in the day. The 1 oz steel load is pellet count equivelent to the 1 3/8oz lead load and was extremely deadly on ducks at all distances. A 1 1/8 oz load is a 1 1/2oz lead load pellet equivelent. An 1 1/4oz is equal to lead pellet count 1 3/4oz. I have a steel 1 oz load at 1700 fps that is killer with #5 steel. My best goose loads in 12 ga is 1 1/8oz payloads in a 3" hull.
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Postby Sagebrush » Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:50 am

:withstupid:

75% of my ducks, teal to mallard were killed with

1 oz. # 5's. :thumbsup:


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Postby Citori12 » Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:57 am

:withstupid: 80% of my early ducks are taken with 1oz #5's in a 2 3/4" hull. When the weather gets colder this load looses some performance and so therefore I switch to a 3" 1 1/8oz load at 1550fps and use a number 3 pellet. For geese I have never had a reason to shoot anything larger than a #1 pellet. And for cagy geese late season on public property out comes the SP-10!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby ohsobad_hunter » Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:11 pm

I have shot 1oz and 1-1/8oz loads on big ducks and had several cripples. My pattern density is awesome!! and I was shooting number 4 shot. The ducks were within 35 yards, and 8 times outta 10 they would be crippled and some would even get away after I knocked em down. I switched to 1-1/4 loads last year and never lost a downed bird. Just going off my personal observations. :salude:
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Postby Citori12 » Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:20 pm

Too tight of a pattern with steel is a crippler with steel loads, Use more open chokes at 35yards. More open patterns lend themselves to neck, head and wing hits. High velocity steel shoots through the birds not leaving much shock factor. Body hits with any size payload of steel and any size steel pellet does not always kill. Head, neck and wing hits put em down for good. My crippling rate for steel is much higher than that of lead, however, after lots of steel shotshells and many years of shooting the stuff I figured out what works well. Tight patterns are cripplers with steel, open patterns lend themselves to hitting more vital areas.
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Postby widgeon1 » Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:29 pm

Concur with the lighter loads too. For the last two years my "go to" load for ducks over decoys at 40 yds or less is 2 3/4" 7/8 load of #4s shot through a skeet 2 choke. I venture to guess that 90% of my ducks were clean kills, and thats probably on the conservative side. Only when the weather turned really cold or on really windy conditions did I bump up to a 3" 1 1/8 oz of #3.
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Postby ohsobad_hunter » Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:39 pm

Citori,
I was shooting an IC at 35 yards or so. I patterned the loads with the IC choke and is was definately not too tight. I will have to pattern a skeet choke and see what that does...our shots are very rarely past 40 yards. Do you think skeet would be too open?
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Postby Citori12 » Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:23 pm

I know a guy I hunt with that kills 100 birds a season on a straight tube browning A-5...his secret????? well rule number #1 know what 35 yards is as well as 600 yards...know your own abilities....and I will tell ya something...when I shoot clays I focus on the orange dome that is where my pattern goes....not so with pheasants, ducks and geese...I focus on the head, first of all the head posistion tells you where the bird is heading number 2 if you focus on that part of the bird body shots are less common. Dove and quail are the only bird I focus on the whole bird...veteran pheasant hunters will tell you never look at the roosters tail when he is flushing to shoot....look at the head.....I percieve my shots going forward of the bird therfore I never shoot behind..and rarely in front...90% of bird hunters shoot behind...fact jack so if you want to increase you kill ratio thing forward not body..body hits even with lead are sometimes only lethal afterwards....head shots are always lethal!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby Sagebrush » Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:06 pm

:withstupid:

You have to understand that at 30 yards you have a minimum of
a 24" pattern !!

I "see" a duck has a pipe in its mouth, and try to stop them
from smoking !

Does that mean this old man's reflexes are getting slow ?
Maybe I don't get as excited as you young guys , or my
hormones are getting low!!

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Postby Citori12 » Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:31 pm

:withstupid: Only then can your shot be effective with hevi, lead, steel, tungsten, old nails, pieces of hammer, screws, some rivets and other stuff we stick down our shotguns!!!!!!!!!!!
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