wildflights wrote: cannon wrote:
baltz526 wrote:Then you get to take delivery at a container lot near the port. Load 5, 55gallon barrels of shot onto your truck and drive back to your shop. To make it profitable. 10,000lb of 5 different size steel shot. Then Filling 1,000 10lb bottles/bags with labeling. Packaging for shipping, Setting up a commercial UPS USPS shipper account. I personally will just keep buying from Ballistic Products 50lb at a time. Unless you can get it too my house for less than $90 per 50lb.
I'd be almost certain that I could get it to your house for less that $60. Here again, I've got a client that is in the business of importing metals from China
, and I believe him when he says he can get it here at the price he quoted. And if I get you're a buddy and I get you shot that is the appropriate density and size, and has the appropriate appearance, at 40% less than you can buy it retail, you ain't gonna care if it's labeled or in an attractive package. You're only gonna care that it is what I said it is and that it got to you safe and sound.
My concern is what to do (other than cry) when it gets here and it's a 2,200 lb rust-infused slug. Price point isn't an issue. I order steel every year, 250 lbs at a pop. If I could even unload enough of it to offset my costs by 50% over a 3-year period, it'd be more than worth it. Dropping $1k on rust, on the other hand, would make me sad.
No offense meant, but if your client is an importer, he should be able to quote a price (or a close estimate) with freight and other related fees. He should know if there is duty and what the realistic associated costs are. Importers are familiar with the risks. If he has been importing from China, he has some stories about material that "is not what he ordered".
More likely, your client is buying from an importer. I would be suspicious if the importer wasn't able to give an imported cost to a port of entry and isn't willing to back the product.
Wonder what 2,200 lbs of rusty scrap iron is worth at a recycle yard?
None taken, but I think you're missing the point. If I somehow indicated that he couldn't give me a solid figure, that is not what I intended to convey. He and I haven't carried the conversation that far. My concern would be with regard to the quality of what was received. And since he would be "helping out a friend" as opposed to entering into a solid business relationship, the risk would be mine. Middle men are where cost effectiveness is lost. Unfortunately, where there's no bonafide middle man, risk becomes a legitimate factor. The client I mentioned didn't offer to warrant the quality of the items received or to handle a purchase. He simply said he could get it here.
Let me reiterate what I'm saying: I have considered gambling $1k on a ton shipment of steel shot. I know a guy who claims he could get it here. It would be nice to pay 1/3, 1/2, or even 80% of what I currently do for steel shot. I do not have access to any entity which would guarantee the quality of what was received, but I certainly have the necessary tools for taking possession at port. I have been delivering ag commodities to port on the Mississippi via 18-wheeler for 15 years. Handling 20 ton payloads is a cakewalk. I can say without hesitation that even triple the traditional shipping fees would still land such a shipment at 1/2 what I pay now. I do not entertain ideas of purchasing a $250,000 ball bearing machine, nor the idea of setting up a $500k facility to house it.
Now, does that make it a good idea? Probably not. On the other hand, it never hurts to dream a little. That's how rich folks got that way.
For giggles, I'm gonna take this guy a bag of steel shot and inquire as to what the price tag would be for the smallest quantity he could get here. I'll let ya know how bad an idea it was when I hear back from him, and I suspect that it will turn out to be a REALLY bad idea, but it never hurts to inquire.
Smell that? Smells like sumthin died in here.