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which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby blackened89 » Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:30 pm

Just curious. Do any of them hold 1 3/4 ounces of steel or do you have to bank on setback?
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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby 10gaOkie » Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:31 pm

None of them do. Like you said, you must rely on setback.

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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby BT Justice » Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:18 am

Just out of curiosity what load recipe would you use with a 1 3/4 oz steel load, to my knowledge there are no published recipes.
Unless you have pressure testing equipment or can send a load out to be tested before you use it, playing with a very dangerous combination.
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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby edenman » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:19 am

http://www.gamebore.com/products/55/10g-rhino

These guys are loading 48grams in 10g
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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby bubba682 » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:25 am

I looked at the link i didn,t see 1 3/4 on the specs but it is early..
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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby 10gaOkie » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:57 am

RSI load number 102 lists a 1 5/8oz or 710 grains (not grams) payload using 38 grains Alliant Steel powder. I wouldn't push the payload size past this. You have a recipe to go by that shows a pressure reading of 10,900psi. Over all, I have had my best loads using 1 1/2oz in 10ga and pellet size no smaller than #1s.

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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby BT Justice » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:50 am

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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby blackened89 » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:02 pm

edenman wrote:http://www.gamebore.com/products/55/10g-rhino

These guys are loading 48grams in 10g


Where could you buy these at?
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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby blackened89 » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:03 pm

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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby BBK » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:33 pm

blackened89 wrote:
edenman wrote:http://www.gamebore.com/products/55/10g-rhino

These guys are loading 48grams in 10g


Where could you buy these at?


Nowhere in the USA. Gamebore is international only, Kent is their USA company.

If you really want 1 5/8, federal makes it in the black cloud line.
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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby TexasGeese » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:48 pm

I really wish someone would come up with some good 10ga recipes for 1 3/4 oz steel. If it was me, I would cut open a remington 1 3/4 oz load to get a base, and then scale it back a little for testing purposes to see where it stands. Then slowly adjust it based on fps and pressure readings.
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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby BT Justice » Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:32 am

TexasGeese wrote:I really wish someone would come up with some good 10ga recipes for 1 3/4 oz steel. If it was me, I would cut open a remington 1 3/4 oz load to get a base, and then scale it back a little for testing purposes to see where it stands. Then slowly adjust it based on fps and pressure readings.

We already did it several years ago..here's the list of problems we faced
Very few wads available will hold that much shot
Canister grade STEEL powder will not give the same results as commercially available STEEL, Alliant 381, etc.
When we finally found a hull and wad combination that did work, we only got 40 fps faster velocities than factory loads and that was at or above max pressures for the 10 ga...11,500 psi or higher. Most of the factory 1 3/4 oz loads we tested were running in the 10,000 psi range so they must have been using different powder than we were.

Your much better off using 1 5/8 oz loads and not trying to duplicate 1 3/4 oz factory loads, the components available to reloaders just don't work well for it.
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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby BBK » Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:24 am

Has anyone actually weighted the shot in a rem 1 3/4 to see if it is really 1.75oz?

I had some 1 3/8 3" feds that I was trying to figure out how they got 1 3/8 in there with that wad (same wad as 1 1/4). Eventually I cut them open to take the shot for reloading and found 1 3/16oz of shot in each one. That explained it. This was a #BBB load if it matters.
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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby edenman » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:42 am

blackened89 wrote:
edenman wrote:http://www.gamebore.com/products/55/10g-rhino

These guys are loading 48grams in 10g


Where could you buy these at?


Here in the UK
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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby Rob MacK » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:43 am

BBK wrote:Has anyone actually weighted the shot in a rem 1 3/4 to see if it is really 1.75oz?

I had some 1 3/8 3" feds that I was trying to figure out how they got 1 3/8 in there with that wad (same wad as 1 1/4). Eventually I cut them open to take the shot for reloading and found 1 3/16oz of shot in each one. That explained it. This was a #BBB load if it matters.



No I have not but I will. I have some home. I will let you know

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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby bubba682 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:33 pm

I just found a box of rem nitros listed at 1 3/4 ounce doin 1250 i baught them 8 years ago never used them there bbb anybody ever try them...
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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby baltz526 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:42 pm

BBK wrote:Has anyone actually weighted the shot in a rem 1 3/4 to see if it is really 1.75oz?

I had some 1 3/8 3" feds that I was trying to figure out how they got 1 3/8 in there with that wad (same wad as 1 1/4). Eventually I cut them open to take the shot for reloading and found 1 3/16oz of shot in each one. That explained it. This was a #BBB load if it matters.
Just saw this question while looking at old topics for 1 1/2oz 10ga data. Remington Nitro Steel #NSTL 10M-T and 2. Wad is a Remington (I guess) very much like a MM1035. 2.210OAL 1.995" depth. Slightly different than current MM1035, 2.275", 1.990 depth. The load has 35.6gr of a powder that looks exactly like "STEEL" The T load had the listed 88 T at 744.4gr. The #2 steel load had 741.2gr. A true 1 3/4oz load is 765.63gr. The box of T list 88 pellets not a weight. The #2 load lists 1 3/4oz. These are new OLD stock loads I have. Probably MID 90's Pellets are heavy galvanized, unpolished and rough. The T load pellets averaged 8.459 gr each. I did not count the #2.
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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby baltz526 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:48 pm

PS: 88 T fit in a MM1035 wad and 90 would with set back. So a 1 3/4oz 10ga reload is very possible. Probably get 1350fps within safe pressure if a person wanted to.
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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby BBK » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:26 pm

92 T shot is 1 3/4, so the orig loading didn't have the full 1.75oz. Interesting.

88 is actually right in line with 1 2/3oz.. 1.66oz.
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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby baltz526 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:29 pm

With the Remington T pellet 90 would be 761.32gr As close as you can get to 1 3/4oz With the Remington heavy galvanized T
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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby 10gaOkie » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:51 pm

Several years ago, Grnhd and I both were loading a 1 3/4oz payload just to see if we could do it and maintain safe pressures. We did so but had to stack the shot column higher than the RSI wad but setback took care of barrel protection just fine. Also, years ago I used to regularly shoot a Win 1 3/4oz load of #1s at 1260fps. This load has long since been discontinued but I still had some on hand to pattern test. During my testing of this factory load along with my reload both containing 1 3/4oz of #1s would print 115 to 120 hits out of a total 178 pellets. My regular 1 1/2oz load of #1s has 153 total pellets yet I get 142 hits with it plus more even patterns. This is why I say the best choice is a 1 1/2oz payload over a 1 3/4oz payload. Even shooting B shot thru TTs, I would suggest sticking with the 1 1/2oz payload. Since you have available a limited amount of 1 5/8oz recipes, you might try some of them to see if this larger payload gives you an edge.

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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby baltz526 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:01 pm

I was looking for recent load experience with the rem SP hull and 1 1/2oz of steel in the MM1035 when I found this older question. I'm doing a test load with 656gr of B copper plated airgun steel. I found 4 different loads with this wad/hull combo in 1 1/2oz. 39.5gr-40gr-42gr-46gr all with similar pressures. 46gr is too much so I was looking for reloaders using the 39.5gr-40gr-42gr data. Using 656gr of .17 B I still need a 1/4" undershot felt and overshot card to fill the load for a good crimp. With B sized shot it would be easy to fit 1 3/4oz in the MM1035. Might need a 1/8" 20ga undershot to get a good crimp.
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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby 10gaOkie » Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:25 pm

Baltz,
I am loading a 1 1/2oz load in the range you are talking about. I am getting 90% plus patterns with Ts at 50 yards with this load which I thought to be outstanding. However, all of the components I am using are the same as you except for the hull. I am using Fed hulls. I cant get anywhere near the patterns using the Rem hulls. pm me if you want details. I will be more than happy to share my load info with you. I chose this same load to hunt with this season, it is loaded with 21 T shot on top of 80 BBs. According to Alliant online data, 39gr is the right amount of Asteel powder for this load using the Rem hull.

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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby baltz526 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:40 pm

I'm out of federal hulls. They are all full of my 1 3/8oz load
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Re: which 10ga wads hold 1.75oz

Postby BT Justice » Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:57 am

The MM wad will fit most 1 3/4 oz payloads, we've tried up to BBB and it fits.
The Remington 1 3/4oz factory loads we have salvaged had 36 grains of powder in them, if it was STEEL, 356 or 381 I'm not sure of.
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