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Modifying Shells

Postby BBK » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:04 pm

So I've been wanting to shoot the 20 ga 2.75" gun at ducks for a while now and just cannot find a load for it. I see kent fasteel UPLAND has a 20 ga 2.75" #5, #6, and #7 at 1500fps in 7/8oz.

What if I bought a couple boxes of the #5, carefully opened them up, weighed the shot, then put the exact weight minus a few pellets to fit of #4 shot in there and re-crimped. Can anyone foresee a problem with that? I just don't want to have 5's in when a group of mallards comes in.
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Re: Modifying Shells

Postby Jim Atlas » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:09 pm

As long as it's steel for steel you should be ok. Fit is the concern I'd have, but you've thought of that too.
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Re: Modifying Shells

Postby dukdropper » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:51 pm

Yeah, :biggrin: :thumbsup: I done that a bunch. With the past 24 months of scrounging and empty shelves, it started when I needed turkey loads. I have done both, like jim says keep steel with steel and lead with lead and stay within 1 shot size to avoid column hieght issues on the re-crimp. Those kent upland loads seem like lead loads!?
Thats exactly why I reload all my own chit now, all accurate, know what you have primo shells! :beer:
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Re: Modifying Shells

Postby z51 » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:52 pm

Remington has been loading Nitro Steel in 2 3/4" 20 gauge #4 for many, many years. They also do the same load in #2. It's a 3/4 oz load at 1425 fps.
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Re: Modifying Shells

Postby BBK » Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:10 pm

I don't want 3/4.

They are steel of course.
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Re: Modifying Shells

Postby z51 » Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:19 pm

You didn't say that or I wouldn't have wasted my time.
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Re: Modifying Shells

Postby BBK » Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:21 pm

Sorry to waste your time.
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Re: Modifying Shells

Postby d_money » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:32 pm

I understand not wanting #5's but at 1500 should kill a big duck out to 40 yards and that's way out there in my opinion. My group shot #5's for a good portion of the season last year and had great results. Also I shot my 20ga when I would take my son out last year and we both shot the same shells fed wf 2 3/4" 6's at 1400. When me and my son go out we don't shoot far 20 yards first shot usually. One time we went out last year I shot my 7 bird limit with 9 shells with the 6's. Maybe give the 5's a shot. Btw early season we mainly shoot mallards,gadwalls, and widgeon all big ducks.
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Re: Modifying Shells

Postby Elvis Kiwi » Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:36 am

you could take out some of the #5 and add some #3 or #2 ontop and get a duplex load :yes:
if you go weight for weight you SHOULD be fine just the height of column to watch.
and the difference between 7/8th and 3/4 isnt really that much...buy a box and try some...you never know :biggrin: sam I am you may just like green eggs n ham :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Re: Modifying Shells

Postby BT Justice » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:00 am

Just make sure you weigh the shot charge from the loads, lots of factory shells have been known to be a bit "lite" on shot charge weight..Kent not being excluded from that.
And don't eat any green eggs.... :lol3: :lol3:
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Re: Modifying Shells

Postby hawglips » Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:04 am

d_money wrote:I understand not wanting #5's but at 1500 should kill a big duck out to 40 yards and that's way out there in my opinion.


At sea level and 32 degrees, #5 steel gives only .99" gel penetration and 136 ED at 40 yds. That's about 43% below what Lowry found had >95% lethality.
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Re: Modifying Shells

Postby jehler » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:38 am

3/4 oz load of 4's or 3's loaded in a fed paperbase hull per the bpi recipe were a great mallard killer for my son with a mod or im choke out to 40
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Re: Modifying Shells

Postby BBK » Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:40 am

Elvis Kiwi wrote:you could take out some of the #5 and add some #3 or #2 ontop and get a duplex load :yes:
if you go weight for weight you SHOULD be fine just the height of column to watch.
and the difference between 7/8th and 3/4 isnt really that much...buy a box and try some...you never know :biggrin: sam I am you may just like green eggs n ham :biggrin: :biggrin:


Just a mental thing, I'll have more confidence in a 7/8 load over a 3/4 even if there isnt a true 7/8.
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Re: Modifying Shells

Postby Elvis Kiwi » Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:48 pm

I know where you are coming from..re shot payload weight but if you can get a ready loaded 3/4 well it might be worth a try. but then Im a fan of the wee .410 so are biased...but for the life of me cant see why guys will rave about a 3/4oz load from a .28ga and bag the .410 in the same breath!!!!
I know Im impressed with the lighter weight loads in .12 ga compared to 1 1/4oz...sceptical at first but sold now.
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Re: Modifying Shells

Postby Sagebrush » Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:46 am

I reload the #107 1oz. load posted at 1550fps and it goes across my chrony at only 1460fps at 4 feet..........

This load kills mallards at 40 yards all day long for me with the "Standard" small #5 steel pellets.
Reason for the 5's is that I like teal better than most ducks on the BBQ.

#4's will only gain you about 7 yards and have less pellets.............but if you think you need more energy
and less pellets working for you, go for it.

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Re: Modifying Shells

Postby jehler » Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:25 pm

Sagebrush wrote:I reload the #107 1oz. load posted at 1550fps and it goes across my chrony at only 1460fps at 4 feet..........

This load kills mallards at 40 yards all day long for me with the "Standard" small #5 steel pellets.
Reason for the 5's is that I like teal better than most ducks on the BBQ.

#4's will only gain you about 7 yards and have less pellets.............but if you think you need more energy
and less pellets working for you, go for it.

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Re: Modifying Shells

Postby Elvis Kiwi » Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:43 pm

wise I would have said.
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Re: Modifying Shells

Postby BBK » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:23 pm

Never said 5's or 3/4oz wont work, I just wouldnt have any confidence in them. If I have no confidence I wouldn't hit squat. I believe confidence in your load/gun is a huge part of wing shooting.

Saw the fasteel upland at my local sporting goods store today, but only in #7. They had them marked at $15.99 a box though :eek:
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Re: Modifying Shells

Postby adrenilinejunky » Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:54 am

My son shoot a youth 20ga with a mod choke and is very suscessful with either 3/4 oz #2 or 7/8 #5s. With the #5 though we seem to have to have a few more follow up shots to finish the birds. However this could be partly from a young shoot and shot placement. I have killed many ducks with #5 out of my 12ga at 40yds. I did like the idea of removing some shot off the top and placing a few 2s or 3s in the top of the column. Would be interested to see how that would work out of the 20.
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Re: Modifying Shells

Postby adrenilinejunky » Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:57 am

My son shoot a youth 20ga with a mod choke and is very suscessful with either 3/4 oz #2 or 7/8 #5s. With the #5 though we seem to have to have a few more follow up shots to finish the birds. However this could be partly from a young shoot and shot placement. I have killed many ducks with #5 out of my 12ga at 40yds. I did like the idea of removing some shot off the top and placing a few 2s or 3s in the top of the column. Would be interested to see how that would work out of the 20.
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