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Why?

Postby BBK » Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:46 pm

Why do some companies make a 3.5" 1 9/16 #4 shell? What on earth could the purpose of that be? Put in the rifled choke and try to take your 6 teal in one shot?
Why do I shoot 3.5" for geese? Because they don't make a 4" yet!
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Re: Why?

Postby Frank Lopez » Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:52 pm

Why make square shot? Why make 1700fps loads? Because some shmuck will buy it because he thinks it'll make him a better shot! It's all about marketing and separating pictures of dead presidents from the wallets the unusupecting waterfowler.

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Re: Why?

Postby mudpack » Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:59 pm

Pattern density.
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Re: Why?

Postby TEN GAUGE BBB » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:21 pm

BBK wrote:Why do some companies make a 3.5" 1 9/16 #4 shell? What on earth could the purpose of that be? Put in the rifled choke and try to take your 6 teal in one shot?

Why do some companies make 3.5 1 3/4 0z loads in #BB and #2 or 3inch in 1 3/8 oz ????????? The list goes on and on. I would think one would want to open the choke up and try to take 6 teal in 1 shot and not use a rifled choke. :bow: :bow: I have taken many ducks and geese with #2 in the 1 9/16 oz load at 1300 fps. It is called pattern density.
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Re: Why?

Postby BBK » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:34 pm

I completely understand the #2, #1, #BB and above in 1 9/16. Pattern density at longer ranges. I've shot a few of the 1's from kent in 1 9/16.
What I don't understand is what you would need that load in 4's for. That is 300 pellets. :eek:
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Re: Why?

Postby Elvis Kiwi » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:45 pm

now #7.5 would make perfect sense....just picture that covey of quail rising with a whirr of wings booompha...what covey???? :grooving: :grooving:
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Re: Why?

Postby BBK » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:51 pm

Now we are talking! Reload them with #6 steel and take out the whole covey in one shot.

2.25oz turkey load reloaded in #8 for dove anyone?
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Re: Why?

Postby Elvis Kiwi » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:57 pm

have you ever tried shot from a rifled barrel...now that is funny...big dough nut
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Re: Why?

Postby BBK » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:59 pm

Negative. When I said rifled choke I was speaking of the teal choke.. I think briley made it? It had rifle on the inside to open up the pattern for less than 20yd shots.

A pattern like that I could have some fun with at the range. Set up a clay and whoever can shoot around it but not break it wins
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Re: Why?

Postby goose_gunner » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:48 am

BBK wrote:Now we are talking! Reload them with #6 steel and take out the whole covey in one shot.

2.25oz turkey load reloaded in #8 for dove anyone?


no I have loaded 15/8 of steel 7s also it found a 10ga load I don't like its 40 some thing grains of blue dot under 21/2 oz of number 4 buck or lead 8s :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: I would love to get some number 12 shot to try in that load
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Re: Why?

Postby Elvis Kiwi » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:51 am

:huh: ouch it hurts my shoulder just reading that :no:
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Re: Why?

Postby goose_gunner » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:55 am

btw 21/2oz of 12s comes out to bout 5600 pellets a round now that's what I call pattern density
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Re: Why?

Postby BT Justice » Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:49 am

Frank Lopez wrote:Why make square shot? Why make 1700fps loads? Because some shmuck will buy it because he thinks it'll make him a better shot! It's all about marketing and separating pictures of dead presidents from the wallets the unusupecting waterfowler.

Frank

Frank hit the nail on the head.. :lol3:
Because somebody will buy it. You guys on here try to get an understanding of what steel shot will and won't do, how choking affects patterns, etc. From what's been said by industry insiders that accounts for maybe 5 -10% of the people out there waterfowling...the rest buy things based on advertising, what grandpa used to use (note that as lead shot) or what the TV hunting shows say works.
Being the eternally curious type, when I meet someone new in the field a lot of time I strike up the usual hunting conversation with them. Somewhere in there I usually ask them how their gun patterns with the load they are shooting, 9 times out of 10 the answer is the same, they are not really sure how it patterns but they seem to kill ducks for them.
The way it is... :huh:
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Re: Why?

Postby dog walker » Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:41 am

I know guys that use them down here for shooting large amounts of poule d'eau. When you start paddling on them sometimes they get in a line swimming away from you, lay a large amount of shot on them and kill the most you can and finish off the cripples. With a 15 per person limit one or two lil groups and your done.

I know it doesn't sound ethical but that's just the way things are down here.
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Re: Why?

Postby Sagebrush » Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:45 am

It is a great load for those that like to shoot from the hip..................

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Re: Why?

Postby mikeg1005 » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:07 am

I wish I had less pellets in my shells, said no one ever.

If one is using the right combo of velocity and shot size, why would you not want as much shot as possible? There is no such thing as overkill.
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