speed vs shot weight

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speed vs shot weight

Postby clsmithiv » Mon Dec 25, 2006 9:18 am

I was wondering what yalls take on speed (#2-11/8-1500fps) vs weight (#2-13/8-1300fps)? I know it depends on the person but overall when it comes to steel what is most important to kill birds at varied ranges?
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Postby WOODROE » Mon Dec 25, 2006 9:35 am

I am sure ther are some experienced reloaders or munitions experts here that can answer you question more scientificly, but I have shot both loads that you describe, from kent cartridge, and the 1 1/8 @1500 fps and
Improved cyl. choke, is deadly in my gun.

Its my impression that with steel, speed kills, due to the lack of downrange energy due to the weight differential of steel too non tox metals or lead.

I think it takes a much better shot, (shooter), to shoot a slower fps. load,
but I guess that to can be overcome with frequency or practice.
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Postby MOwaterfowler » Mon Dec 25, 2006 9:52 am

it's all reletive both loads will kill the bird at reasonable ranges.

best thing is patteren them my gun likes the slower bismuth and hevishot loads but loves the extra fast steel loads.
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Postby Smackaduck » Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:59 am

I always use the heaviest load availiable for the particular shell size.
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Postby thaner » Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:58 pm

Speed kills to an extent. Speed is more critical for energy at closer ranges with smaller pellets. At longer range the extra speed is lost very fast. For up to #2 I go with speed as a priority up to 1550 fps. After that with the larger pellets I drop speed for payload but I don't go below 1400 fps for any pellet. It’s what works for me. Of course pattern loads because if it will not pattern it’s doesn’t matter much.
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Postby Jim Broadbridge » Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:46 am

Speed and weight go together to make a decent duck or goose load. Either one without the other makes the recipe incomplete. With all the available loads offered today you can match your specific needs, with specific shells. If I had to sacrifice one for the other I would favour speed. I don't shoot steel loads at ducks and geese that are below 1400 fps regardless of payload.
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Postby Sagebrush » Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:56 am

# 2 steel c/o 580fps for minimum penetration & kills.

1500fps will let this load reach out to 60 yards.

1300fps will make the maximum range 54 yards.

However with the added pellets you might be able to drop birds at
60 yards ? Depends on how good a pattern your gun has.

I have only dropped three teal at 60 yards in two years with 1 1/8oz steel.
There must be some pretty big holes in the pattern at that range !!

Great for Geese and large ducks though.............

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Postby waterfowlhunter » Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:16 am

From my experience I see better kills with speed over the extra pellets. I shoot 3.5" at 1550fps up to 1625fps Kent fasteel most of the time. But that is not the case for every situation and On the downside of this I have blown teal and woodies completely apart because they were a bit too close and this year I took the entire breast out of a goose that came in low and was about in the decoys before I seen him. when I'm hunting over decoys and the ducks are at 25-35 yds I like to shoot the Slower heavier loads with an open choke but lately a lot of my hunting is pass or jump shooting at 45 + yds so I am usually loaded with the fast stuff.

That is why there are so many choices, so that you can pick what fits your hunting situation and the range at which you are shooting.
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Postby Scota4570 » Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:41 pm

I "beta tested" some loads last weekend. My hunting partners and I shot them. 12ga 3" 1-1 /8oz #3 at 1700 fps. They were good for several 1-shot kills on spoonies at 40/50-ish yards . I was extremely impressed. The only problem is they are extremely loud with a fireball and kick a bunch. This may promote poor shooting. It is a "book" load.
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Postby countrygent36 » Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:57 pm

Scota4570 wrote:I "beta tested" some loads last weekend. My hunting partners and I shot them. 12ga 3" 1-1 /8oz #3 at 1700 fps. They were good for several 1-shot kills on spoonies at 40/50-ish yards . I was extremely impressed. The only problem is they are extremely loud with a fireball and kick a bunch. This may promote poor shooting. It is a "book" load.


What type of hull, powder, and primer did you use?
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Postby steelcommander » Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:09 pm

countrygent36 wrote:
Scota4570 wrote:I "beta tested" some loads last weekend. My hunting partners and I shot them. 12ga 3" 1-1 /8oz #3 at 1700 fps. They were good for several 1-shot kills on spoonies at 40/50-ish yards . I was extremely impressed. The only problem is they are extremely loud with a fireball and kick a bunch. This may promote poor shooting. It is a "book" load.


What type of hull, powder, and primer did you use?



Did you put the pattern on paper?
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Postby hdgfootball72 » Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:55 pm

Ive heard more speed with less bullet is better then more bullets and less speed.
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Postby Sagebrush » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:42 pm

MORE BULLETS ??
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Postby Thundersnow » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:56 pm

As long as you have good pattern density the more speed the better. Problem is for longer shots you need more pellets to have the density. Shorter shots speed is fine. Longer shots your better off with payload.
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Postby Citori12 » Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:43 pm

HOLD THE PHONE!!!!!!!!!! has anyone patterned these wonderful loads???? and ooops I am the moron that has shot well over 10,000 rounds of rifle ammo and maybe 200 at pattern paper of shotgun.......I quit patterning cause I learned enough....buy the ammo you think works then find some ammo you think would never work and then you chooose!
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Postby Sagebrush » Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:50 am

A Steel # 2 at 1500 fps will penetrate gel block at 60 yds, 1.35 inches.

When you have a velosity of 1700 fps it will penetrate 1.43 inches.



I don,t think the extra noise and recoil is worth the extra .08 inch penetration ?


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Postby Ned S » Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:22 pm

I have been shooting mostly 7/8 loads at 1724 fps in my 935 the last two years. My load of B's with the factory Mod shoots 90% patterns at 40 yds withe factory full 96% with a tight core. This load sure snockers lessers over decoys and out to 50 yds. I haven't patterned my Terror chokes with this load yet but run 83% with 1 3/8 oz of BB's at 50 yds with a .070 constriction. I have 11 Terror chokes for the 935. I'll be shooting this load with steel 4's tomorrow on ducks. Ned S
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Postby Citori12 » Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:42 pm

Steel 4's at those velocities will kill well to 40 yards....most folks cannot even hit a duck at 40 yards consistantly, for the rest of us..inlcuding me I am a dead eye at 20 feet..and cylinder choke with #4's....well #5's are good until it gets cold...then its big ducks heavy weather and a little more payload (not too much for a 12ga 3 1/2" or not) 1 1/8 oz #3's for heavy mallards.....of course decoy ranges in which I have been told that is 40 yards.........WHOA that is long shootin for me!!!!!! :laughing: :laughing: :hammering: :hammering:
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