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question on shot shells (pictures)

Postby caleb » Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:33 pm

I cut open 3 differnet shot shells. The first was a winchester xpert HV steel shot #2, the second was the same but #4, the third was a remington sportsman hi-speed steel #2. All were 3" 1 1/8oz. 12 gauge.

I noticed the winchesters looked liked lead and are not round, Some even have rust on the pellets. The remington pellets look perfect, like they came from a michine very shiny and perfectly round. But there are some plastic pellets on the top of the rest of the shot. The winchesters didnt have the plastic pellets.

Now upon counting the pellets the remingtons are 20 or so pellets shy. But if you count the plastic pellets they are on the money. The winchesters are correct without the plastic ones.

My questions are:
What are the plastic pellets for?
Will the winchesters non-round pellets effect pattern that much?

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winchester#4
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Remington #2
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Postby Jim Broadbridge » Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:05 am

The only explaination I can come up with, is that the plastic is a filler in order to stop the pellots from rattling around and sounding like there are pellots missing from the shell. I have cut plenty of shells open and found the Rem. pellot count to be right on and the pellots second to none. I did find that not all steel shot weighs the same and did account for some inconsistancy in pellot count even though the weight of the payload was consistant. The only thing I will say about the second question is, round pellots fly faster and hit harder than oblong deformed ugly things that look like footballs. The price for Rem. Sportsman and Win. HV are about the same in Canada, so I will never use the Win HV again. If your shooting most of your ducks inside 20 yards it dosen't realy matter. If most are 30 yards and out, then it makes a huge difference. :smile:
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Postby caleb » Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:01 am

thanks for the info. I think I will stick with the remingtons.

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Postby Sagebrush » Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:41 am

Quality control on large steel is a problem. The smaller size
steel and even Hevi-shot all come out better and rounder when
being made.

As for the Rem being short on pellet count.........

Their pellets might be a little bigger or a little hevier than the
Winchester pellet make up and chemicals used.

You will have a 1 1/8 oz payload, but they need some filler for a proper crimp.

As for being shiny...they might have less or no Zinc covering the outside
of the pellets, which slow down the rust problem.

As for the non-round pellets ...........true they will not fly true.
However if you are shooting under 50 yards, there should be no problem
with enough pellets in your pattern.

Both loads will do a good job for you.

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Postby MOwaterfowler » Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:30 pm

the little stuff is buffer. the loads cheeper with a little buffer in it for the remington.

winchester makes the cheeper load by useing lower quality shot. unpolished and unplated.
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Postby countrygent36 » Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:22 pm

MOwaterfowler wrote:the little stuff is buffer. the loads cheeper with a little buffer in it for the remington.

winchester makes the cheeper load by useing lower quality shot. unpolished and unplated.


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Postby MOwaterfowler » Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:17 am

interesting to think 1 1/4 of the HD stuff is about half thoes pellets.
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Postby Jim Broadbridge » Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:10 pm

MOwaterfowler wrote:the little stuff is buffer. the loads cheeper with a little buffer in it for the remington.

winchester makes the cheeper load by useing lower quality shot. unpolished and unplated.


No it is not buffer, and how in the world would the addition of buffer make the loads cheaper.
The problem with winchester has nothing to do with polishing or plating, they are simply not round.
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Postby cjpballer » Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:46 pm

I have cut open the remington sportsman shell and weighed the shot without the plastic looking things inside it and its right on the money. If i had to guess i would say its buffer too, if its not that i dont have a clue what it is. THe plastic pellots probably help with crimping the shell so the crimp isnt caving in.
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