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Primer ?

Postby hamernhonkers » Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:21 pm

Dose anyone know what primer Estate uses for there shot shells?
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Re: Primer ?

Postby countrygent36 » Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:49 pm

hamernhonkers wrote:Dose anyone know what primer Estate uses for there shot shells?

I would venture to uess that most of their target loads use a standard 209 primer. Their steel loads are magnums. But I have absolutely NO idea what powder they use to even give a resemblance of a guess. Heres a link for their ballistics though.

http://www.estatecartridge.com/html/target.htm
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Postby hamernhonkers » Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:43 pm

I should of phrased the question like this. Who do they get there primers from? Winchester, CCI, Fedral, or Feocci?
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Postby Sagebrush » Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:07 am

Most reloaders will use either w209 or F209a primers.

These two are the "cold" & "hot" of the primers, that will

fit in 99% of all loading data.


Don't try to figure out what primer any company uses by just
looking at it. Several look the same, but have different burn rates.

This can get you hurt, or worst...........!!

Just use all the printed data they put out...... Tons of it.

Enjoy
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Postby pennsyltucky » Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:30 am

why are you interested? did u get a bunch of primed hulls or something? most likely they are a cheddite primer. if so, there is only one. and its about the same as a rem209p or w209
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Postby hamernhonkers » Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:55 am

why are you interested?


Two of my 20 gauge o/u's are having problems with the firing pin hitting the primer hard enough to set the shell off with these loads. The problem is I am only having the problem with the estates. When I shoot Winchesters, or Remington's, I never have a miss fire. I am sure the real problem is the firing pin or the spring and speed of the pin. But I have heard that the fiocci and cheddit primers are harder than your standard w209. f209 or cci209. So curiosity is basically getting to me if this could be true.

Thanks for you help guys. Its much appreciated. :salude:
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Postby tealslayerblw » Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:31 pm

ive had this exact problem with my 20 guage o/u both fed's and estates have a sunken primer in my opinoin. look at how far the primer is into the shell ill bet its the depth thats messing you up
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Postby pennsyltucky » Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:03 pm

vintage guns that have deep relief's for the rim of the shell can allow the shell to get far enuf away from the breech that it causes problems with firing on some shells. dont know if ur guns are old or not, but a couple of mine are, and i have trouble with it.
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Postby Sagebrush » Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:27 pm

Most misfires are caused by:

Weak spring ( leaving gun cocked)

Worn or broken firing pin (pulling trigger on empty chamber)

Dirty bolt unit ( lack of field striping )

Most guns in good shape will fire all ammo................

Miss fires mean there is something very wrong with your weapon !!

Take it to a gunsmith !!
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Postby tealslayerblw » Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:34 pm

like i said, my guns were misfiring only on these particular guns, and both were in better than good condition.
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Postby countrygent36 » Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:51 am

tealslayerblw wrote:like i said, my guns were misfiring only on these particular guns, and both were in better than good condition.


And there could be a slight tweak in the firing pin, not allowing it to travel as afar as needed to reach the deep seated primers.
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