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A 400 pattern

Postby Airborne28 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:09 pm

Patterned my beretta a400 xtreme (optifade camo, 26') for the first time. For starters i am new to the forums on duckhunting chat and gon. I've been asking losts of questions, and have gotten some great info. Thanks to those whom provided me some intel. My reason for this was to maximize shot/kill ratio, to see if i needed new chokes sht ect. I am a soldier in the army so i do not have a lot of disposable income. That shot/kill ratio was to help save money in the long run.

Last season i got this gun and it never let me down. Took quite a few woodies and two toms. Never really considered a huge difference in shot pattern ( it's a damn shot gun not a precision long rifle), just difference in shot sizes. Wow was i wrong.

These were shot at the fort benning gun club at 40 yds with the A400s stock modified choke on 30 in circles. I fired each shotshell type twice and used the avg hits to the avg pellet counts provided by the makers of each ammo. The pattern paper was christmas wrapping paper. Wrapping paper sucks if there is any wind. Use something thicker.

Black cloud fs steel #2 shot, 138 pellets avg
Avg hits: 103, for 76% on target


Winchester blind side #3 shot, 210 hex pellets avg
Avg hits: 93, for 44% on target

Rio blue box #2 shot, 100 pellets avg
Avg hits 63, for 63% on target

Black cloud fs steel #4 shot, 202 pellets avg
Avg hits: 105, for 51% on target
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Fs steel #2, 3.5' , 1.5 oz
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Blind side #3, 3' , 1.25 oz
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Rio #2, 3' , 1.25 oz
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Fs steel #4, 3.5' , 1.5 oz
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Re: A 400 pattern

Postby sketch21 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:30 am

I also have the a400 with a 26" tube, and a briley lm choke. Mine really likes knents and black cloud.

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Re: A 400 pattern

Postby Joe Hunter » Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:18 pm

Airborne -- You shouldn't need new chokes and if you want to cut cost stop purchasing Black Cloud or Blind Side or other designer loads, don't get caught up in the hype from the ammo companies. Get some normal round or almost round (Xpert) loads and shoot some patterns with your Mod choke to see which will give you good patterns at the distance you shoot your birds. If you shoot a variety of ducks then a #3 steel load should work good for you on decoying birds.

While load and choke are important to killing birds, if you really want to reduce your bird-to-shell ratio then get your birds close and work on your wing shooting skills. For starters, go start shooting skeet with a low gun. Remember, if you can't put the pattern on the front end of the duck then little else matters.

Here is a link to a patterning article that might be helpful.

http://www.wildlifedepartment.com/hunti ... erning.htm

And, here's a table that will help you select the right load/pellet size/pattern density for your birds.

http://www.wildlifedepartment.com/hunti ... yTable.pdf

Here are some pattern numbers of mine that will give you an idea of what you might get from a Mod choke with some of the loads you shot and others you should try.

Pattern results from a 12-gauge 3" Remington 870 Special Purpose with a 28" barrel and factory flush Rem-chokes (pattern average of five, 30" post-shot scribed circle, yardage taped muzzle to target, in-shell pellet count average of five, and true choke constriction from bore gauge).

12 GA 3" FEDERAL PREMIUM BLACK CLOUD FLIGHT-STOPPER STEEL LOAD
1 1/4 oz #2 steel (91 regular zinc plated steel pellets + 53 FS steel pellets = 144 pellets) @ 1,450 fps
40 YARDS -- Mod (.018" const.) / pattern 92 (64%)

12 GA 3" WINCHESTER ELITE BLIND SIDE STEEL LOAD
1 3/8 oz #2 Hex Steel (176 pellets) @ 1,400 fps
40 YARDS -- Mod (.018" const.) / pattern 104 (59%)

12 GA 3" WINCHESTER XPERT HI-VELOCITY STEEL LOAD
1 1/4 oz #2 steel (146 pellets) @ 1,400 fps
40 YARDS -- Mod (.018" const.) / pattern 106 (73%)

12 GA 3" FEDERAL SPEED-SHOK STEEL LOAD
1 1/4 oz #2 steel (154 pellets) @ 1,400 fps
40 YARDS -- Mod (.018" const.) / pattern 115 (75%)

12 GA 3" REMINGTON SPORTSMAN HI-SPEED STEEL LOAD
1 1/4 oz #2 steel (152 pellets) 1,400 fps
40 YARDS -- Mod (.018" const.) / pattern 110 (72%)

Thanks for your service. Good luck.
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Re: A 400 pattern

Postby Joe Hunter » Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:31 pm

And, if you want to trim cost some more, 12ga 2 3/4" 1 1/8 oz loads will kill decoying ducks just fine.

Here are a few more of my pattern numbers to give you and idea of what they can do.

Patterning results from a 12-gauge 3" Remington 870 Special Purpose with a 28" barrel and factory flush Rem-chokes (pattern average of five, 30" post-shot scribed circle, yardage taped muzzle to target, in-shell pellet count average of five, and true choke constriction from bore gauge).

40 YARDS Mod. (.018" const.)
Remington Sportsman Hi-Speed 2 3/4" 1 1/8 oz #4 steel (218 pellets) pattern 164 (75%)
Winchester Xpert Hi-Velocity 2 3/4" 1 1/8 oz #3 steel (162 pellets) pattern 111 (69%)
Remington Sportsman Hi-Speed 2 3/4" 1 1/8 oz #2 steel (139 pellets) pattern 116 (84%)

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Re: A 400 pattern

Postby z51 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:35 pm

X 2. Nuff said.
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Re: A 400 pattern

Postby shoveler_shooter » Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:58 pm

I'd recommend Federal Speedshok (blue box). Also Sportsman Steel, Nitro Steel, Drylok, Federal red box, even Xperts are the way to go. Check out rogerssportinggoods.com. Free shipping on a lot of their steel loads and $11-$12/box for the Speedshok when you buy cases.
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