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1 1/8 ounce load in a cheddite hull

Postby boxlock » Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:14 pm

i have been thinking of loading a 1 1/8 ounce of #3 or #2 in a 23/4 inch cheddite hull with 35grains of steel powder, b&p 32 wad and a fed 209a primer, does anyone out there use this load or have had it tested. i will be shooting it through a fabarm xlr 5 proofed to 1630 bar. It fits perfectly with a good depth of crimp.
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Re: 1 1/8 ounce load in a cheddite hull

Postby BBK » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:22 pm

Seems like a lot of powder to me. I have a cheddite 2.75" 1 1/8 load that uses a MM and 32 grains with a medium strength primer (ched) at 1470fps and 11,500psi I think it was. 35 and a high power primer seems to be up there, not sure how much pressure drop there is with that wad though.
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Re: 1 1/8 ounce load in a cheddite hull

Postby Jim Atlas » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:53 pm

Doesn't RSI #66 use a Fed GM hull with a 209A and 1.125 oz of shot. It's only 34 grains of powder I believe.
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Re: 1 1/8 ounce load in a cheddite hull

Postby flyndutchman » Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:44 pm

Too much powder with the B&P and Fed 209A for SAMI specs. BPI lists a load with 34 gr steel and CCI 209M's and their LBC 43 wad. I've tried it like this and blow the primers out. Possibly the pockets aren't sized down enough to hold the CCI's, they are some of the smallest diameter primers, or just high pressure. Cheddite or Fiocchi primers do just fine though. The loads I have seen for the B&P 32 usually use less powder and list higher pressures than with LBC or RSI wads. Chris has a pet load in these hulls for 1 1/8oz and should chime in.
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Re: 1 1/8 ounce load in a cheddite hull

Postby 3200 man » Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:06 pm

The load you are stating , with a Fed hull ( RSI 65 ) with a powder charge of 35 gr of A steel and 450 grs of shot is Bad Ass .

With the Ched hull and 1 1/8 oz starting with 32 grs of Asteel along with the wads (mentioned) works really well with a
Ched primer , for me .

I do shoot Chris's HG load and it's superior to the ones I've tried in my XLR 5 , too !
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Re: 1 1/8 ounce load in a cheddite hull

Postby Sagebrush » Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:23 pm

Only 1 1/8oz load that I stuffed 35grs of Alliant Steel powder in was with a

Federal Gold Medal 2 3/4" hull and it had the mild w209 primer........

however this bottle of Steel powder did not chrony as fast as my last "Old" jug of Alliant Steel.
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Re: 1 1/8 ounce load in a cheddite hull

Postby goosepit2007 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:08 pm

activ hull 23/4 with 34 grains and rsi wad with fed 209a primer and 11/8 of shot has published psi of 10900 1520 fps so with b and p wad the pressure would be even higher, subbing band p wads for rsi recipes is like adding at least 2 grains of powder too the rsi recipe's. just by subbing the wad and all else being the same.
activ 23/4(34 grains asteel and rsi wad 11/8 oz of steel shot, win209 primer 1465 fps and 8,300psi published data) if sub the band p wad you end up with the load that chris likes to shoot,but he uses cheddite primer in cheddite hulls.the cheddite primer is close to the old winchester 209 primers for hottness of primer(rsi says that you can sub the cheddite with no problems in there recipes).

fed gold medal 30 grains of asteel, band p 32 wad 11/8 of shot fed209a primer has 11,000 psi. 1377 fps published data
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Re: 1 1/8 ounce load in a cheddite hull

Postby dog walker » Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:49 pm

I'm at work so I'll have to check when I get home but in SOS the 11th edition there is a load but I think its at 32 grs. I don't remember what primer or hull though.

I have used a 34 gr cheddite lbc load this year for teal season. It ran 1470 as listed and patterned good. The only issue is the wad has to be trimmed.
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Re: 1 1/8 ounce load in a cheddite hull

Postby dog walker » Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:44 pm

Ok it was listed in SOS 12th edition. 2 3/4" ched/ched 209/31 gr steel/CSD 118/ 10,100psi/1380 fps

So adding a hotter primer and 4 more grains of steel is going to push that pressure up but to where I couldn't tell you.
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Re: 1 1/8 ounce load in a cheddite hull

Postby boxlock » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:28 pm

Rsi 66 lists 34 grains of steel, 209a primer and sam1 wad with 1 1/8 @ 10,000 psi, how much more pressure would 1 more grain of powder and the subbibg of a bap wad add ?
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Re: 1 1/8 ounce load in a cheddite hull

Postby 3200 man » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:51 pm

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It could be a BOOM or BANG , just have a EMT close-by !

Dont you like the gun you're shooting ? Why push it past it's limits ?

These fellas are offering you the recipe for a really good load , learn how to shoot it and you should be successful . :yes:
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Re: 1 1/8 ounce load in a cheddite hull

Postby goosepit2007 » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:16 pm

boxlock wrote:Rsi 66 lists 34 grains of steel, 209a primer and sam1 wad with 1 1/8 @ 10,000 psi, how much more pressure would 1 more grain of powder and the subbibg of a bap wad add ?


activ hull 23/4 with 34 grains and rsi wad with fed 209a primer and 11/8 of shot has published psi of 10900 1520 fps so with b and p wad the pressure would be even higher, subbing band p wads for rsi recipes is like adding at least 2 grains of powder too the rsi recipe's. just by subbing the wad and all else being the same.
activ 23/4(34 grains asteel and rsi wad 11/8 oz of steel shot, win209 primer 1465 fps and 8,300psi published data) if sub the band p wad you end up with the load that chris likes to shoot,but he uses cheddite primer in cheddite hulls.the cheddite primer is close to the old winchester 209 primers for hottness of primer(rsi says that you can sub the cheddite with no problems in there recipes).

fed gold medal 30 grains of asteel, band p 32 wad 11/8 of shot fed209a primer has 11,000 psi. 1377 fps published data

taking that info further rsi 66 same hull as above load but from 34 grains to 30 grains of asteel and has the bandp wad 11/8 version and not the rsi wad which is in use with #66 and has fed209 like above published gold medal load the psi for #66 is 10,000 precision reloadings published data for gold medal and 4 less grains and b and p wad has 11000 psi. thats 1000 psi higher with bandp wad with 4 grains less of asteel . so if put 5 grains on top of that combo that load is going to be hot and a your prized gun will loose some years of use from using that hot load.

you take dog walkers info with cheddite hull/primer with 31 grains csd 118 wad 10,100 psi and swap to fed209a and 4 more grains the results will be the same.

the only time that you will have problems with cheddite primers or winchester primers is when the temps get in teens and windchills are below zero then the powder will not be ignited properly and the velocity's will be alot lower. when it gets super cold i use loads with fed209a primer and asteel powder or the regular 800x loads with win 209 primers both those combo's take me to way below zero without any problems at all.
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Re: 1 1/8 ounce load in a cheddite hull

Postby Jim Atlas » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:20 pm

My bet is it probably won't be more than 1630 bar.
Why are you set on F.209A+35 g A.Steel?
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Re: 1 1/8 ounce load in a cheddite hull

Postby boxlock » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:26 pm

Jim i have loaded and shot this load, admittedly only a few rounds and it has been awesome , but i am not going to risk my wellbeing or my gun, hence my post on the forum.
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Re: 1 1/8 ounce load in a cheddite hull

Postby 3200 man » Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:24 pm

Boxlock ,

With that Tribore barreled gun , I have found it likes the RSI 65 load with a # 2 choke tube out to 45 yds .

Try it in your's

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