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Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby 10gaOkie » Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:12 pm

This first started off as I wanted to try a few handloads using the Rem Steel 2 3/4 yellow bw hulls. I have not found any at reasonable prices. Thus, I thought about getting some factory loads using this hull which would give me enough hulls to test as well as testing the factory loads. What I came across was a massive price difference. Both Bass Pro and Academy want $21.99 a box for both the 1 1/8oz and 1 1/4oz loads of #2s. Where as, if I buy a case from Rogers, they are $99 a case. This is more than double the price! What gives as I have never seen this wide of a margin before in one shell. If you shoot this shell, fill me in on how it shoots for you and where I can come up with some hulls or a few boxes of loaded ammo at reasonable prices. I am tempted to buy a couple boxes at this crazy price of $22 a box but cant seem to do it as common sense tells me otherwise. I thought I was in business as I already had a pot full of 2 3/4 Express hulls but they turned out to be the unibody hull. Even though I am a reloader, I often buy and test factory fodder. But really, $22 a box for 2 3/4 regular steel shot shells!!!!!!

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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby derbyacresbob » Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:05 pm

Find someone to go half's with you on a case from Rogers or just order the case from Rogers and sell them if you don't like them.

I just ordered 3 cases of Federal Gold Medal 1 oz target loads from Rogers yesterday. Even with the shipping cost they are cheaper than buying target loads locally.

The main reason I ordered these 3 flats of Gold Medals 1 oz loads was to get the 750 once fired hulls and there are no 1 oz target loads available around here.
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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby eastcoastsoxfan » Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:36 pm

Chris,
pretty sure the black Sportsman Hulls are the same as the Nitro Steel and should be a lot cheaper. they are the same in 3"
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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby Jim Atlas » Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:11 pm

eastcoastsoxfan wrote:Chris,
pretty sure the black Sportsman Hulls are the same as the Nitro Steel and should be a lot cheaper. they are the same in 3"


That has been my experience as well. Of course, I wouldn't be shocked to find sportsman's with a black plastic basewad, as I've found nitros and express hulls with both.
I'd buy some once fired from pri. A little pricey, but cheaper then a box of shells. Then if you like them, pick up a case at rogers.
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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby z51 » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:36 pm

So let's see, 10 boxes for $99 or 2 boxes for $44, Hmmm? Kind of a no brainer. Those single box prices are simply a rip off no magic just huge margins for guys with few local options.
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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby BBK » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:17 pm

Buy the case then sell the extras or use them for small game/ pheasants
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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby 10gaOkie » Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:55 pm

[quote="BBK"]Buy the case then sell the extras or use them for small game/ pheasants[/quote]
I dont hunt anything except waterfowl. I guess I will have to be patient until a deal pops up on some hulls or ammo.

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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby Frodo Bags'em » Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:07 pm

10Gauge,

Someone posted a current ad of Fort Thompson Sporting Goods
(see Best Load for your Buck).
They're in Sherwood, Arkansas, on the north side of Little Rock.

It just so happens that the Remington manufacturing plant is in Lonoke, what looks
to me like 12-15 miles west of Little Rock.

Fyi, I talked with Greg at Rogers this past week and he told me personally
that what he has sold out of, which shows as "out of stock", he will not
be getting back in stock. Why? He said that Remington was wanting
alot more for any new stock and was not complying with their agreement.
(His words to me.)

I wonder if this is why Ft. Thompson's prices are so low. I am going to
call them tomorrow to ask about prices and shipping, as Rogers will
ship for free.
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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby 10gaOkie » Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:17 pm

Frodo - That all makes sense to me. Thanks for the info bud. I still cannot believe the jump in price. Glad I reload and dont have to depend on Rem ammo. Just hope i can come up with some of these hulls soon.

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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby mudpack » Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:25 am

Frodo Bags'em wrote:I wonder if this is why Ft. Thompson's prices are so low. I am going to
call them tomorrow to ask about prices and shipping, as Rogers will
ship for free.-Frodo


Don't waste your time. I've called them and they do not mail order. You have to go to the store. :crying:



BTW, 10ga.... I shoot Nitro Steel 2 3/4" shells in the early seasons; 1 1/8oz 4's for teal and 1 1/4oz 3's for early big ducks. They are very effective loads.
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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby dakotashooter2 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:18 am

I have several boxed of #2s I have been using on geese (decoying) with very good results. You might note that on Rogers site the regular retail price shown is almost twice of what they are selling them for. Kind of make me suspicious that they may be closing them out and discontinuing them. I'm also using the 3" in 20 ga with excellent results on ducks.
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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby z51 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:23 am

Guys, this is Fort Thompson's all season loss leader. The AD is on the back of the 2013 AGFC regulations booklet. They want people in in the store to buy other stuff, not mail out cases to goobers on the internet.
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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby BBK » Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:34 am

Anyone try the 1 1/4 #2's for ducks? They are kinda slow at 1300fps which would be my only worry.
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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby mudpack » Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:03 pm

BBK wrote:Anyone try the 1 1/4 #2's for ducks? They are kinda slow at 1300fps which would be my only worry.


Do not let the 1300fps concern you. I shoot 1275fps steel loads during the early season and the ducks die just the same.
Today's advertising has most waterfowlers convinced that you need 1550fps or more to kill a duck. This is good for their bottom line. Remember the old Metro system? It used 900fps loads and the geese still died handily.

I trust a 1 1/4oz load at 1300fps much more than I do a 1oz load at 1500fps. It will kill more ducks, further away. :thumbsup:
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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby dakotashooter2 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:18 pm

Everybody seems to want to drink the speed koolaid.......... Get them in range and 1300 fps is plenty of speed.
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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby z51 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:21 pm

Not necessarily. However, you will have to choke the 1 oz load more to kill farther, but with the same size shot it will kill farther.
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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby baltz526 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:23 pm

I cut open a Remington 2 3/4" 1 1/8oz 1375fps steel load. They have a very good wad (like a MM) with 33gr of a powder that looks exactly like Steel. With nice round pellets. Patterns very nice even 70% plus with #2 steel at 40yrds out of a mod remchoke. Which is not surprising.
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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby z51 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:28 pm

That is probably the best all around 2 3/4" factory load I know of. A nice balance of velocity and payload.
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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby kenner » Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:08 pm

eastcoastsoxfan wrote:Chris,
pretty sure the black Sportsman Hulls are the same as the Nitro Steel and should be a lot cheaper. they are the same in 3"


My black Sportsman Steel 2-3/4" have a black basewad, instead of yellow, but it looks to be the same height, compared to the primer. Could this be that it definitely is the same as the Nitro, just with a diff color basewad?
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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby 10gaOkie » Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:20 pm

Ken
I dont know the answer to that but I would also like to know. Those black Rems with High Speed printed on them might be tapered or they may be straight wall. I just dont know. The Rem Nitro Steel with yellow bw are the straight wall type and have the large volume. I never dreamed the large volume Rem 2 3/4s would be so hard to come by. I have a pot full of 2 3/4 high base Rem hulls only they are the unibody type and have the same volume as the STS which are tapered.

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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby John Duck » Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:55 pm

mudpack wrote:
BBK wrote:Anyone try the 1 1/4 #2's for ducks? They are kinda slow at 1300fps which would be my only worry.


Do not let the 1300fps concern you. I shoot 1275fps steel loads during the early season and the ducks die just the same.
Today's advertising has most waterfowlers convinced that you need 1550fps or more to kill a duck. This is good for their bottom line. Remember the old Metro system? It used 900fps loads and the geese still died handily.

I trust a 1 1/4oz load at 1300fps much more than I do a 1oz load at 1500fps. It will kill more ducks, further away. :thumbsup:


You are correct on this. There is an overemphasis on penetration also with the fast stuff, shot does not need to go all the way thru a bird.
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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby BBK » Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:59 pm

mudpack wrote:
BBK wrote:Anyone try the 1 1/4 #2's for ducks? They are kinda slow at 1300fps which would be my only worry.


Do not let the 1300fps concern you. I shoot 1275fps steel loads during the early season and the ducks die just the same.
Today's advertising has most waterfowlers convinced that you need 1550fps or more to kill a duck. This is good for their bottom line. Remember the old Metro system? It used 900fps loads and the geese still died handily.

I trust a 1 1/4oz load at 1300fps much more than I do a 1oz load at 1500fps. It will kill more ducks, further away. :thumbsup:


We think a lot alike mud, but my worry wasnt that 1300fps wasnt enough.. but 1300 MARKED FPS wasnt enough. I honestly haven't heard of a factory load that meets its specified fps yet, except for one fasteel load. If its marked 1300fps and runs 1200fps there could be a problem. Remember the old federal classic premium's? Marked 1275, ran 1100fps. Best duck/goose crippler shell ever made.
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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby grnhd » Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:15 pm

BBK wrote:
mudpack wrote:
BBK wrote:Anyone try the 1 1/4 #2's for ducks? They are kinda slow at 1300fps which would be my only worry.


Do not let the 1300fps concern you. I shoot 1275fps steel loads during the early season and the ducks die just the same.
Today's advertising has most waterfowlers convinced that you need 1550fps or more to kill a duck. This is good for their bottom line. Remember the old Metro system? It used 900fps loads and the geese still died handily.

I trust a 1 1/4oz load at 1300fps much more than I do a 1oz load at 1500fps. It will kill more ducks, further away. :thumbsup:


We think a lot alike mud, but my worry wasnt that 1300fps wasnt enough.. but 1300 MARKED FPS wasnt enough. I honestly haven't heard of a factory load that meets its specified fps yet, except for one fasteel load. If its marked 1300fps and runs 1200fps there could be a problem. Remember the old federal classic premium's? Marked 1275, ran 1100fps. Best duck/goose crippler shell ever made.


Every Kent load I've ever run over my chrony has gotten the advertised speed. From 20ga loads to 12ga 3 1/2 loads.
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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby Jim Atlas » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:35 am

kenner wrote:
eastcoastsoxfan wrote:Chris,
pretty sure the black Sportsman Hulls are the same as the Nitro Steel and should be a lot cheaper. they are the same in 3"


My black Sportsman Steel 2-3/4" have a black basewad, instead of yellow, but it looks to be the same height, compared to the primer. Could this be that it definitely is the same as the Nitro, just with a diff color basewad?


Here's a Rem 2.75" yellow basewad, a Rem 2.75" black basewad, a ched and a 2.75" fed unibody.
The black is .05" taller.
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Re: Rem Nitro Steel 2 3/4

Postby mudpack » Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:05 pm

BBK wrote: I honestly haven't heard of a factory load that meets its specified fps yet, except for one fasteel load. If its marked 1300fps and runs 1200fps there could be a problem. Remember the old federal classic premium's? Marked 1275, ran 1100fps. Best duck/goose crippler shell ever made.


SAAMI gives the shell manufacturers a tolerance on their loads. I think it's something like +/- 30fps. If someone measured the Federals and found them 175fps slow, then his measuring method was not the same as the factory's...or he was testing a bad batch of ammo (not likely).
Beware of placing too much emphasis on muzzle velocity. The number of shot IN the bird is far more important than how fast the shot that MISSES the bird is traveling.
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