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Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby buckmeister » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:04 pm

I shot 9 different shells through a Brileys light mod at 35 yards and not one looked worth a dam. Pretty discouraging. I am going to try a different choke tomorrow.
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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby orphanedcowboy » Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:08 pm

That is odd, what does the internal finish look like?

What gun and barrel length? Choke system?

Usually there is one or two bad loads per choke, never heard or read about 9.

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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby buckmeister » Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:23 pm

Its a stainless steel choke and looks fine, the guns is a Benelli SBII which most of the ones I have been around don't pattern well anyway. The Barrell is 26 inches.
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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby hamernhonkers » Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:25 pm

Any pics of the patterns you are getting? That's nuts you can't find a good one with 9 different loads.

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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby buckmeister » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:20 pm

I'm not tech savvy enough to post pictures. Most of the loads I shot were 3 inch #4's and the hit counts did not even go over 100. Hoping for some luck tomorrow.
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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby goosepit2007 » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:29 pm

buckmeister wrote:I shot 9 different shells through a Brileys light mod at 35 yards and not one looked worth a dam. Pretty discouraging. I am going to try a different choke tomorrow.



what are the loads and fps? i found on quite few sb11 shotguns that they like 1525 fps and slower loads...
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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby hamernhonkers » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:29 pm

Oh wow that's crazy. Good luck tomorrow.


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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby goosepit2007 » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:40 pm

buckmeister wrote:I'm not tech savvy enough to post pictures. Most of the loads I shot were 3 inch #4's and the hit counts did not even go over 100. Hoping for some luck tomorrow.



i will add that most manufactures of chokes say you should get around 65 percent with light mod at 35 yards with steel shot.
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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby 10gaOkie » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:46 pm

I tried 10 diff chokes and 15 diff factory loads in my SBE before finding the right choke and load. Of course I was not patterning at 35 yards either. I was patterning at 45 yards. Its difficult to tell anything if patterning less than 40.

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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby BT Justice » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:13 am

buckmeister wrote:I'm not tech savvy enough to post pictures. Most of the loads I shot were 3 inch #4's and the hit counts did not even go over 100. Hoping for some luck tomorrow.

A lot of times many guns are shot size sensitive, your SBE might not shoot 4's well but it may do well with 3's or 2's.
In some instances it's the individual shotgun also, why I don't know could be a few hundred reasons, but I've seen identical make/ models of guns pattern differently with the exact same loads.
Suggestion would be try at least two larger shot sizes before you scrap the tube.
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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby John Singer » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:54 am

I concur with BT Justice. Try a larger shot size. I find it very difficult to get great patterns with any gun and #4 steel. I hypothesize that the physical forces that cause a shot charge to "bloom" are due to individual shot pellets slowing down and falling to the outside of the point of aim. #4 steel shot pellets being smaller and having less mass and therefore less momentum than larger sizes. The pattern opens more quickly (at shorter range).

All of my guns shoot #4 steel in very open patterns at 40 yards.

Like BT Justice suggested, try using #3 or #2 steel. I can show you patterns with one of my guns where it shoots ~50% with number 4 steel but it shoots 75-80% with #2 steel at 40 yards.
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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby Jon Bergren » Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:36 am

buckmeister wrote:I shot 9 different shells through a Brileys light mod at 35 yards and not one looked worth a dam. Pretty discouraging. I am going to try a different choke tomorrow.

Yep~! My three stripper chokes, one was made specifically for my 11-87. Ned S
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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby C M Wings » Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:57 am

THE SBE I had liked 3s and bigger with factory chokes.
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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby mark29860 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:53 am

I shoot a M2 with a 26" barrel at 35 yards my choke of choice is a trulock skeet, I have a Briley LM it does nothing till you get out to 40 or 45 yards
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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby buckmeister » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:21 pm

There is not much on the store shelves to choose from in the way of shells with the season over, I am going to have to order some 3's and two's.
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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby 10gaOkie » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:42 pm

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What you are finding out is that Benellis with their skinny bore size are the most difficult to find what works for consistant good patterns. I quickly found that it could not be done with factory chokes. I went through all this with my HkSBE with 26" barrel. When I found what worked for it, the same worked in my two Benelli M1s. I mentioned about going through 15 factory loads along with 10 diff aftermarket chokes. Final success was going to the Terror .700 choke and certain factory loads which is will list. Since the Terror is no longer available for your SBE2, I would suggest the next best thing, a Briley X2 .700.
The loads that work best for me with my gun choke combo are listed best first.....
Kent 3" 1 1/4oz #1s
Kent 2 3/4" 1 1/16oz #2s
Win Xpert 2 3/4" 1 1/16oz #4s
Rem Nitro 2 3/4" 1 1/8oz #2s
Most important, you will need to get the right choke to make these loads work.

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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby MK10 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:24 pm

buckmeister wrote:There is not much on the store shelves to choose from in the way of shells with the season over, I am going to have to order some 3's and two's.



I recently had an email from a friend in the US with the same gun, factory Modified choke and patterns running upwards of 170 pellet strikes in a 30" circle at 40 yards. The load used was the Federal, 12g (2-3/4"), 1-1/8oz #4……..this might be worth looking at!
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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby goosepit2007 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:24 pm

MK10 wrote:
buckmeister wrote:There is not much on the store shelves to choose from in the way of shells with the season over, I am going to have to order some 3's and two's.



I recently had an email from a friend in the US with the same gun, factory Modified choke and patterns running upwards of 170 pellet strikes in a 30" circle at 40 yards. The load used was the Federal, 12g (2-3/4"), 1-1/8oz #4……..this might be worth looking at!


yep that sounds right try the 2's also in remington 23/4 nitro steel loads and results will be great ...speed is slower good choice for that gun. the kent 23/4 11/8 loads with 3's,2's is another good choice!!!
even the winchester expert loads in 23/4 pattern great in those guns...chris mentioned the load above...
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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby buckmeister » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:15 am

why would 2 3/4 inch shells do better than 3 inch shells? Anyone venture a guess. Maybe I just need to sell the Benelli for a back bored barrel.
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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby buckmeister » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:57 pm

I remember shooting a 3inch #4 Nitro steel at 1300fps last year through a mod choke and it did well. I will try that again, I tried it through the Brileys light mod and it stunk with everything else. I just bought a box of Winchester Drylok superstell
2 3/4 #4 2 1300 fps. Maybe that will work.
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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby Joe Hunter » Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:26 pm

buck -- May I ask how you are patterning (describe your method) these loads and how you determined "not one looked worth a dam".

I too think it would be unusually for you to have 9 different shells not perform to standards.

Here are a few of my pattern numbers with my gun and a Briley flush LM choke to give you an idea of what you might expect. Yes, your gun is different than mine but regardless of fat bores or skinny bores you should have a load that works unless something is very wrong with your barrel or choke.

Patterning results from a 12-gauge Browning Citori with 28" Invector-plus barrels using Briley flush chokes (patterns average of five, 30" post-shot scribed circle, yardage taped muzzle to target, and in-shell pellet count average of five).

12 GA 2 3/4" REMINGTON SPORTSMAN HI-SPEED STEEL LOAD
1 1/8 oz #4 steel (218 pellets) @ 1,375 fps
40 YARDS –- LM / pattern 150 (69%)

12 GA 2 3/4" WINCHESTER XPERT HI-VELOCITY STEEL LOAD
1 1/8 oz #3 steel (162 pellets) @ 1,400 fps
40 YARDS –- LM / pattern 106 (65%)

12 GA 2 3/4" REMINGTON SPORTSMAN HI-SPEED STEEL LOAD
1 1/8 oz #2 steel (139 pellets) @ 1,375 fps
40 YARDS –- LM / pattern 114 (82%)

Hope this helps.
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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby buckmeister » Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:37 pm

My method:

Card table 32 by 32 with builders paper with 29.5 inch circle drawn on it stapled to the card table on its side

Another card table with Coldwell led sled to put my gun in and remove any trigger flinch etc.

Stanley roller wheel that digital displays the square footage when measuring off distance of 35 yards.

all the patterns were the worst I ever shot, not only not even but few hits, I did not bother to count them all.

Was going to try and get out this week and try again but most likely Saturday.
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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby buckmeister » Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:42 pm

I am thinking I need to try a full choke next time with some of the same loads at that distance.
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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby orphanedcowboy » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:53 pm

buckmeister wrote:I am thinking I need to try a full choke next time with some of the same loads at that distance.


Try less choke, you may be over choking the gun.

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Re: Anybody's choke suck on 9 differnet shells?

Postby Jim Atlas » Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:36 pm

[quote="buckmeister"]My method:

Card table 32 by 32 with builders paper with 29.5 inch circle drawn on it stapled to the card table on its side

Another card table with Coldwell led sled to put my gun in and remove any trigger flinch etc.

Stanley roller wheel that digital displays the square footage when measuring off distance of 35 yards.

all the patterns were the worst I ever shot, not only not even but few hits, I did not bother to count them all.

Was going to try and get out this week and try again but most likely Saturday.[/quote
May be a POA. issue. I use 4x4 ft paper stapled to a pallet and draw the circle AFTER the shot.
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