3200 man wrote::beer: , We are Waterfowlers and clay target shooters and each one of us tries to stay within our ability ,
I just like to have the best ammo I can reload and shoot well , it's a decease I know and we have it , that use a Gaep tool !
3200 man wrote:I would certainly agree with you at that range/distance on 16 yd targets and even on birds inside 35 yds with shells off the
shelf but , having a load that will perform past 40 yds ( maybe 70% pattern ) is a lot different . Yes , it's just a shell loaded
with what-ever and it goes boom and if you ( some how ) hit the target , it's dead or broke .
This isn't about being satisfied with any shell , it's how we can load a shell with more consistency in velocity that looks good ,
every time ! This in our experience , is what makes us better shooters with better patterns and less shells shot to achieve a
limit of birds or a personal best at clay targets . just wondering ? you may have had that little percentage of lost targets go
away if you were shooting a better constructed shell ?
Yep , Trigger time for what-ever you shoot , will make you a better shooter ! NOOO Doubt
War Wagon wrote:Do you think putting this rounded crimp on shells will make them feed better into your action ?..
pedro13 wrote:The bn4 is for slower powders like asteel. Then they the otp for roll crimp. I thinks their stuff is top notch. It produces fine looking tubes. I use the fold crimp on certain loads and rto on others.
C M Wings wrote:OK, so I am a little confused - so please have patience....
The GAEP is a finishing tool that makes hull crimps "pretty enough to marry" (I laughed out loud when I read that...), and the RTO tool is used for making roll over crimps... Right??
So question (assuming what I said is right) - can you use a GAEP to improve a roll over crimp to give it that nice bull-nose for better feed, or does the RTO already do that?
Second - can you use an RTO tool on a fold crimp to get that same bull-nose effect if it indeed performs that function on a roll crimp?
The BN series Gaep heads are designed for various depths and I don't know if the RTO is the "proper" depth for a segmented crimp. I have used my RTO crimper , in 10 ga, before the BN series was made and acquired a BN in 10 ga after Kevin announced he was successful in getting GAEP to make the BN's.
I've never rolled or GAEP'd a shell, but I'm going to start. I like the way you guys "personalize" your shells using these tools. If it improves performance - gravy. I don't think I shoot well enough to be able to tell.
Jon Bergren wrote:War Wagon wrote:Do you think putting this rounded crimp on shells will make them feed better into your action ?..
Absolutely, but you don't need to use a GAEP to do that. The mini press with the taper crimp will do it as well as sitting the load on a powder insert in the final crimp station and coming down slightly on it. The latter is done by feel. Ned S
Do you think putting this rounded crimp on shells will make them feed better into your action ?..
slowshooter wrote:So no matter what proof people provided you, would have said that it was just their load and gun... That's what you just did, right?
Not trying to start an argument but if you say that what the GAEP does doesn't matter - then when someone says it does - then you say they can't prove it... It's no longer incumbent upon them to do anything, they owe you nothing.
If someone says it works great for them and you pipe in that it doesn't work for them... It's incumbent on you to prove your assertion that it doesn't work for them. It's just that easy - and just kind of impossible.
All I'm saying is that that your ignorance about their setup, loads, guns, methodology and results is not just as good as their knowledge about how they achieved their results.
It goes in both directions as well. If you don't get good results - other people's good results aren't going to change. And they shouldn't be telling you to prove it either...
Just a thought.
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