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Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby Jon Bergren » Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:58 pm

This is a 7/8 oz load in a GM hull with a TPS35mm shotcup and develops 11,000 psi. Does anyone load and shoot this recipe. Looks iike it is "my kind of" load. Ned S
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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby steelshotshooter » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:21 pm

Ned,

I have tested a lot of the 2 3/4" Gold Medal loads in the Status of Steel manual, and I have yet to find one that would clock out at an honest 1,800 fps....
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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby Jon Bergren » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:59 pm

steelshotshooter wrote:Ned,

I have tested a lot of the 2 3/4" Gold Medal loads in the Status of Steel manual, and I have yet to find one that would clock out at an honest 1,800 fps....
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Did you Chrony the one I posted? Ned S
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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby steelshotshooter » Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:15 pm

I did and if I remember correctly, I got a velocity reading of 1,690 fps. from a Remington 11/87 with a 28" barrel....
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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby steelshotshooter » Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:21 am

From BPI's Status of Steel manual -

HULL: Federal Gold Medal - 12 ga. - 2 3/4"

PRIMER: Federal 209A

POWDER: STEEL / 44.0 grains

WAD: TPS35mm

SHOT: 7/8 oz. steel

VELOCITY: 1,800 fps.

PRESSURE: 11,000 psi


Ned, if you get a chance to load this and run it over your chronograph, let us know what velocity you get from it....
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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby Sagebrush » Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:40 am

I tested the RSI pg. 13, #56 GM hull with w209, 800x powder, Sam1 wad, 3/4oz (328.1gr), vel 1850 @ 11,300 psi.

I could not get good groups out of this load for some odd reason. Maybe too much speed and the round steel may have
been starting to "Knuckleball" ??
Out in the field they did not work well for me at 40 yards plus.............
May have been due to the lack of pellets in the payload?
#4's at 140 and #6's at 232 +/- depending on the makers dia.

Too fast for a legal trap load, so I load the slower 7/8oz for trap and the 1oz as my minimum payload for Ducks.

Hope you can get that load to work with the different powder and wad in your guns.
It would make a sweet little close range load, for sure.
Never tried the SR4756 loads.

Would like to see a35 or 40 yard pattern if they work out for you.
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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby steelshotshooter » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:58 pm

There's no duck alive that cannot be killed with a good 7/8 oz. load of steel. Keep velocity around 1,600 fps. and #3 or #1 steel will do the deed out to an honest 60 yds...

Since I got my 870 back from being cerakoted, when the wind finally decides to calms down, I plan on doing some pattern testing with my new barrel, and I'll post patterns then....
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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby John Singer » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:23 pm

I concur. I killed several ducks and a couple of Canada geese this past season with 7/8 oz of either #3 or #1 steel from my 16 gauge at a published velocity of 1550 fps. I do not think I shot at any at 60 yards distant though.
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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby steelshotshooter » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:53 pm

Way to go John!

May I ask what type of 16 ga. you are shooting?
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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby John Singer » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:19 pm

I am shooting an old Wards Model 50 (Stevens 5100) side by side. I bought it at a garage sale a couple of summers ago for about $100. It was choked modified and full. The left barrel (full) had some minor damage and did not shoot to point of aim. I spent a couple of hours working on it with a ream, a stone, a brass hammer and file to get it to shoot to point of aim. The left barrel now shoots to point of aim and patterns at about a modified. The barrels pattern between 63-67% with #3, #2, and #1 steel.

I shoot skeet with it during the summer and this past season used it with steel shot for ducks and geese. I averaged 1 bird for every three shots fired. This is very good shooting for me.
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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby steelshotshooter » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:30 pm

Most excellent John! I can only imagine how fun it would be to duck and goose hunt with an old side by side...

I use to dove hunt with a large German man probably 40 years ago, and he shot a side by side 12 ga. that seemed to be magic. We would spot a bird and he would tell me how far to lead it. I would lead it the number of "feet" he said, pull the trigger, and the bird would fold. Brings back a lot of good memories...

Good find on that 16 ga.. I hope you get to shoot and enjoy it for a lot of years....
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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby mudpack » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:35 am

steelshotshooter wrote:There's no duck alive that cannot be killed with a good 7/8 oz. load of steel.

As long as said duck is very close to the muzzle when the shot is fired.
A load containing 7/8oz of shot get mighty thin once it gets out there a ways.....
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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby steelshotshooter » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:45 am

Depends on your choke and pattern at known distances...

Over decoy shooting / modified choke / 60% @ 40 yds...

Pass shooting ducks / full choke / 70% @ 50 yds...

Pass shooting ducks / extended full / 70% @ 60 yds...

Pass shooting geese / extended full / 75% @ 60 yds...

% = % of pellets inside 30" circle at specified yardages. You could change chokes and increase or decrease percentages at whatever ranges you will be shooting. I have found the above % work for me. I like to eat the birds I kill and don't want to destroy them with too many pellets...

You guys do what works for you and I do what works for me. Yeah, I know a 7/8 oz. load is LIGHT but, it is also LETHAL....
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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby jake j » Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:50 am

Is that 35mm tps wad the proper length so it don't need to be trimmed in that "near" alliant recipe bpi has? I've been toying with the alliant load in mm cup with 7/8oz and am very happy with it... pattern wise. Its been too cold for chrono mine needs 32 F and we ain't there yet! Jake J.
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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby culot » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:43 pm

Hi

Any good 1600fps 7/8 or 1oz loads using Longshot and the B&P wads ? For me living in Sweden
Powder is always a problem , i can probably get STEEL but i have to buy 10 bottles .... And we have
a 5kg (aprox 9,5lb) total limit in sweden :sad:

But we are alowed use lead :grooving: ( always something)

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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby steelshotshooter » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:30 pm

Since you are allowed to use lead, I would load 1 1/8 oz. #4 lead @ 1,500 fps. using Longshot powder....
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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby jake j » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:53 pm

If you can use lead there is little left to be desired... trap shells kill ducks in the dekes and cheap too. 7/8 oz of #6 at 1500 fps will rock em for next to nothing cost wise. Whatever you swedes do don't let em take that lead away from ya either man... steel cripples and wastes more birds than lead ingestion ever did. I think it was all bout money... look at all the lead only guns we can't hunt nothing with and all these fancy chokes and crap... and factory ammo with more costly lead shot is somehow cheaper than this steel ammo which is made with cheaper than lead steel shot. Hmm. I bet we could have put all this money into habitat instead of CEO's bank accounts and made up for lead killed birds with more production of ducks... but I'm just a dumb redneck what do I know. Jake J.
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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby culot » Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:34 pm

steelshotshooter wrote:Since you are allowed to use lead, I would load 1 1/8 oz. #4 lead @ 1,500 fps. using Longshot powder....
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Hi,

I have many good lead loads, and have been a reloader since -90 I have load for steel before in 96-99 but mostly slow loads
Using old BPI data. I want to lern how to load this light and quick steel loads ( in some areas lead is banned ) and if we have
A total ban someday i want to be prepaired.
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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby culot » Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:51 pm

jake j wrote:If you can use lead there is little left to be desired... trap shells kill ducks in the dekes and cheap too. 7/8 oz of #6 at 1500 fps will rock em for next to nothing cost wise. Whatever you swedes do don't let em take that lead away from ya either man... steel cripples and wastes more birds than lead ingestion ever did. I think it was all bout money... look at all the lead only guns we can't hunt nothing with and all these fancy chokes and crap... and factory ammo with more costly lead shot is somehow cheaper than this steel ammo which is made with cheaper than lead steel shot. Hmm. I bet we could have put all this money into habitat instead of CEO's bank accounts and made up for lead killed birds with more production of ducks... but I'm just a dumb redneck what do I know. Jake J.


Hi,

There was a ban for a while, but we luckely get rid of it . But for clays we must use steel and have done so in many years.
In beginning rules say 24gram (below7/8) 7:steel. In 2011 rules say max 28gram/1oz and max 6:steel .
Today it's hard to get any snappy lead target ammo at all in sweden when so few use it .

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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby steelshotshooter » Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:21 pm

Peter,

are the B&P wads the only steel wads you have access to?
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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby culot » Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:49 am

steelshotshooter wrote:Peter,

are the B&P wads the only steel wads you have access to?


Steelshooter,

i can get Gualandi also, but they are to soft in my opinion. maby i can get VP steelwads from Denmark
Back in -96-98 i have a lot of BPI ranger+ but i sold everything for a couple of years ago.

I wasn't until now i found this forum and this talk about " Lightning steel II " 7/8 - 1oz loads.

we aren't many who reload shot shells in Sweden, and for steel even less. But i work hard to convince
shooters over here start. most of us load like the italians using new hulls Fiocchi , cheddite , Nobel sport
and we buy from italy. Before we buy from states, but shipping cost , WAT , custody fee etc etc have made it to expensive.

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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby steelshotshooter » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:12 am

I don't shoot any loads with STEEL powder. I'm not into trimming wads to make a load fit like what it is suppose to. I have 7/8 oz. loads that run 2,000 fps. and they do nothing I cannot do with a 7/8 oz. load pushing 1,650 fps....

I have pretty much settled on BPI's CLBC wads because I can load 7/8 oz. and 1 oz. loads, the hulls require no trimming and they work with everything from #3 steel to T steel. I also like this wad because it has a crush section that helps lengthen the pressure curve and does not spike, like what the "solid" no flex wads can....
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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby goosepit2007 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:23 pm

culot wrote:Hi

Any good 1600fps 7/8 or 1oz loads using Longshot and the B&P wads ? For me living in Sweden
Powder is always a problem , i can probably get STEEL but i have to buy 10 bottles .... And we have
a 5kg (aprox 9,5lb) total limit in sweden :sad:

But we are alowed use lead :grooving: ( always something)

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here is a very good load with longshot powder and band p 7/8 oz wad with cheddite 23/4inch hulls but have to use a gas seal though:
When i tested this load i did not use buffer, i think buffer is waist in steel shot loads since the shot will not deform like lead does upon set back. i did not use the over shot card either.

L0AD# 60110-999

HULL: CHEDDITE 12ga 2.75”

PRIMER: CH209

PROPELLANT: HODGDON LONGSHOT 34.0 Grains

WAD: BPGS + CSD078 (12ga)

SHOT: 7/8 oz. Steel shot (382 gr.)

BUFFER 10 gr.

FOLD CRIMP: 6-point, OS12 under the crimp

Result: PSI 11000 FPS 1620
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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby culot » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:52 pm

goosepit2007 wrote:
culot wrote:Hi

Any good 1600fps 7/8 or 1oz loads using Longshot and the B&P wads ? For me living in Sweden
Powder is always a problem , i can probably get STEEL but i have to buy 10 bottles .... And we have
a 5kg (aprox 9,5lb) total limit in sweden :sad:

But we are alowed use lead :grooving: ( always something)

/P



here is a very good load with longshot powder and band p 7/8 oz wad with cheddite 23/4inch hulls but have to use a gas seal though:
When i tested this load i did not use buffer, i think buffer is waist in steel shot loads since the shot will not deform like lead does upon set back. i did not use the over shot card either.

L0AD# 60110-999

HULL: CHEDDITE 12ga 2.75”

PRIMER: CH209

PROPELLANT: HODGDON LONGSHOT 34.0 Grains

WAD: BPGS + CSD078 (12ga)

SHOT: 7/8 oz. Steel shot (382 gr.)

BUFFER 10 gr.

FOLD CRIMP: 6-point, OS12 under the crimp

Result: PSI 11000 FPS 1620



Hi,

and thanks for the load, from what i remember BPI say Buffer steel add wight and raise pressure, but i rather skip the buffer
and made a 1oz load of it . have you got the right speed in chrono ?

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Re: Status of Steel 7/8 oz load at 1800 fps

Postby culot » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:55 pm

steelshotshooter wrote:I don't shoot any loads with STEEL powder. I'm not into trimming wads to make a load fit like what it is suppose to. I have 7/8 oz. loads that run 2,000 fps. and they do nothing I cannot do with a 7/8 oz. load pushing 1,650 fps....

I have pretty much settled on BPI's CLBC wads because I can load 7/8 oz. and 1 oz. loads, the hulls require no trimming and they work with everything from #3 steel to T steel. I also like this wad because it has a crush section that helps lengthen the pressure curve and does spike, like what the "solid" no flex wads can....
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hi,

What powder do you use if not STEEL ? I belived STEEL powder was " tha shiit " when i comes to steel ..

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