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LS manual recipes

Postby C M Wings » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:16 am

Hey guy - just got my LS manual in the mail and read it cover to cover.

Question. All specified wads, when I look them up, call for #3 steel or smaller. If I want to load 1s or larger, am I of luck using this manual? Can the wads stand up to larger shot at high velocity? Don't want to score a gun barrel over a few FPS....

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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby Rob MacK » Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:14 am

Yes they can from what I have seen over the past 4 years. I have loaded up to B with no issue in LS2 load #6. I use it for geese and I am very pleased with it. Also I use Bs with the same wad from the first edition of LS in the Fed Top Gun hull it patteren much the same but is a bit tighter to load.

The Fed load with 3s is my favorite duck load for my style of shooting. Exceptionally pleased with it.

Regarding your Rem Hull question. PM me and I will tell you what I use.

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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby Paulinkansas » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:10 am

I ordered 2000 of their 7/8 ounce wads for the loads in the LS2 manual. 7/8 ounce of #3 shot does not fit in the wad properly. The wad design seems to have changed a bit...less capacity. However, I could load 13/16 ounce of shot in the recipe and form a proper crimp. Velocity was around 1830 fps with acceptable patterns.
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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby Jon Bergren » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:16 am

Paulinkansas wrote:I ordered 2000 of their 7/8 ounce wads for the loads in the LS2 manual. 7/8 ounce of #3 shot does not fit in the wad properly. The wad design seems to have changed a bit...less capacity. However, I could load 13/16 ounce of shot in the recipe and form a proper crimp. Velocity was around 1830 fps with acceptable patterns.


I can still get 7/8 oz of 4's in the loads with the old 24 shotcup. Did you order the 24 shotcup. Ned S
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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby kenner » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:46 am

Paul: Ya gotta snip the center post in the bottom of the wad, which will allow it to compress and your shell to crimp.
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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby Jon Bergren » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:53 am

kenner wrote:Paul: Ya gotta snip the center post in the bottom of the wad, which will allow it to compress and your shell to crimp.


I remove the post with an Exacto knife. Ned S
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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby C M Wings » Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:44 am

Great info on the wads... Now about the shot size.....

?? Any experiences ??
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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby Paulinkansas » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:13 pm

Jon and Kenner, yes I ordered the 24 wads and I tried snipping off the bottom post in the wad. Still had bulged hulss and a crimp that was 30 degrees off from horizontal. Called Precision Reloading and they could not duplicate my error.

Some other people on here experienced the same problems.

I took some of their 28 wads and placed them on a table. I put an ounce of shot in there, it was fairly flush.
I took a 24 wad and tried my best to put 7/8 oz of shot in there. It was fairly flush and i had about 15-20 pellets left in my hand that to carfully balance on top of the pellets at the top of my wad. When 7/8 oz of pellets were in there, it looked like the 30 degrees off from horizontal crimp.
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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby Rob MacK » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:07 pm

C M Wings wrote:Great info on the wads... Now about the shot size.....

?? Any experiences ??

With the 1oz loads no problems up to B. Thats as big as I go in the 12. I found the newer 7/8 oz tight to but I can get them to fit wit effort. I don't load 7/8 oz much any more. I prefer the 1oz. But to each his own.

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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby goosepit2007 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:21 pm

if have mec loader put something like dowl cap over the tube so have flt surface. for compression of shot/wad. then (make sure post is cut, like above suggestions), then use loader to compress the shot and wad down past the height that is needed for good crimp and then go right to the pre then final crimp. you will end up with flat crimp that is super tight and is perfect for alliant steel powder to get the full potential of the powder.


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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby goosepit2007 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:32 pm

the easy way for the 7/8 oz load with the ls2 manual is to use 1oz wad with spacers for the 7/8 oz of shot.
then your set with 1oz loads and 7/8 oz loads.


i used the 7/8 oz wads with 800x powder with very good results with gold medal/fed paper base hulls with easy loading no compressing ect. drop powder/put wad in and crimp....they just do not run that fast by ls2 manual standards,but fast enough at 1550-1575 fps averages depending on hull used ect.

I will add with alot less powder.

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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby C M Wings » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:49 pm

I was thinking of just getting the 1 oz. wad and using a felt spacer on the bottom, too.
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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby goosepit2007 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:37 pm

C M Wings wrote:I was thinking of just getting the 1 oz. wad and using a felt spacer on the bottom, too.



that works great...i actually use the 11/8 wad with 1oz loads in that manual works great doing that too(with shot sizes i use with 1oz loads you do not need spacers when usinh the 11/8oz wads)....and then that way a guy can use them to load 11/8oz of steel also.
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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby kenner » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:49 pm

I took another poster's idea of getting a set of hole punches from Harbor Freight for $10? and using the 1/2" punch to punch out cork, which you can get at craft stores, in a variety of thicknesses.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leather-Vinyl-Hollow-Hole-Punch-6-pc-Tool-Set-Steel-3-8-7-16-1-2-9-16-5-8-3-4-/111016990121
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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby 3200 man » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:36 pm

That'a Boy Kenner ! I prefer Cork as it is easier to punch out with this tool , I buy 1/8" and 1/4 " cork sheets , which

fills the need for my reloading both 12 ga and 10 ga , ( that is ) with the right punch !

I use a pcs of HMW plastic as a backing , in no time I have all that I need .
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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby kenner » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:06 pm

Good to hear from you! And tell people where that can find that other sheeting, akin to Tyvek, and how it's used.
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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby C M Wings » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:48 pm

Is cork as safe as felt? And also, for either cork or felt, do you use 20g size for both 12 and 10 shells, or 12g size for 10s?

Learning a lot this week - thanks guys.

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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby Rob MacK » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:27 am

safe as felt? And also, for either cork or felt, do you use 20g size for both 12 and 10 shells, or 12g size for 10s?

Learning a lot this week - thanks guys.

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Both are safe cork I would not use cork over shot and yes 20 gauge in 12 and 10 as spacers. I like cork better personally.

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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby culot » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:31 am

Hi,

I have just ordered the LS2 manual , but it haven't got over the sea yet.

Is there any good loads using Longshot in this manual ? for what i now i can't buy Alliant STEEL in my country

Sweden , but i found Longshot powder . My neighbor country Finland , Norway , Danmark have Alliant STEEL

but i haven't found it in Sweden :sad:

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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby C M Wings » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:59 am

Hi from the US - How about those hockey games?

I just double checked and the LS manual has all STEEL load data.... sorry.

The RSI (reloading specialties) manual has several non-STEEL loads in it's white pages. The yellow pages are also all STEEL.

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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby Jon Bergren » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:27 am

culot wrote:Hi,

I have just ordered the LS2 manual , but it haven't got over the sea yet.

Is there any good loads using Longshot in this manual ? for what i now i can't buy Alliant STEEL in my country

Sweden , but i found Longshot powder . My neighbor country Finland , Norway , Danmark have Alliant STEEL

but i haven't found it in Sweden :sad:

Regards

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The Status of Steel manual from Ballistic products have loads with Longshot, 2 3/4, 3, and 3 1/2". Ned Swygard who is 1/2 Swede. My Grandfather was John Bergren.
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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby culot » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:46 pm

C M Wings wrote:Hi from the US - How about those hockey games?

I just double checked and the LS manual has all STEEL load data.... sorry.

The RSI (reloading specialties) manual has several non-STEEL loads in it's white pages. The yellow pages are also all STEEL.

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Hi,

Luckely beat Finland :grooving: Hmm! so ther aren't any longshot loads in LS2 :sad: Before Danish and Norwegian
Reloaders bought STEEL from Sweden ( we can still use lead legally in Sweden) but now it looks like they get STEEL from somewear else. But i may try get some from denmark or Finland.

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Re: LS manual recipes

Postby culot » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:50 pm

Jon Bergren wrote:
culot wrote:Hi,

I have just ordered the LS2 manual , but it haven't got over the sea yet.

Is there any good loads using Longshot in this manual ? for what i now i can't buy Alliant STEEL in my country

Sweden , but i found Longshot powder . My neighbor country Finland , Norway , Danmark have Alliant STEEL

but i haven't found it in Sweden :sad:

Regards

/ P


The Status of Steel manual from Ballistic products have loads with Longshot, 2 3/4, 3, and 3 1/2". Ned Swygard who is 1/2 Swede. My Grandfather was John Bergren.


Yes i was wondering about your Nick :thumbsup:

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