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Blue Dot

Postby cannon » Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:28 am

Sooooo . . . I've got 4 or 5 pounds of blue dot lying around, and the "must load" shells are under control for the 14/15 season. Time to play. Hit me with your favorite Blue Dot loads for 2.75" or 3" loads in 1 -1 1/4 oz payloads.
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Re: Blue Dot

Postby baltz526 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:43 am

Not a 1 1/4oz. But the 3" Winchester hull 1 1/8oz load on page 299 of Lyman 5th edition using the TUWSBL35 is better than it looks on paper. One of the best patterning loads I have shot. fits nice in the Bright red white base hull.
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Re: Blue Dot

Postby cannon » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:25 am

baltz526 wrote:Not a 1 1/4oz. But the 3" Winchester hull 1 1/8oz load on page 299 of Lyman 5th edition using the TUWSBL35 is better than it looks on paper. One of the best patterning loads I have shot. fits nice in the Bright red white base hull.


Excellent! Keep em coming.

I meant to say between one oz and an oz & a quarter. I ain't too finicky. Just thinking I might be able to find a decent #2 load to tinker with.
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Re: Blue Dot

Postby steelshotshooter » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:28 am

HULL: Federal Gold Medal - 12 ga. - 2 3/4"

PRIMER: Federal 209A

POWDER: Blue Dot / 34.0 gr.

WAD: CLBC

SHOT: 1 ounce steel / perfect with # 1 or 2 steel shot

VELOCITY: 1,580 fps.

PRESSURE: 10,800 psi.

NOTES: After dropping shot, add an overshot card on top of shot, then apply 90-100 lbs. pressure, crimp. These crimp very well, you don't have to trim the wads and everything fits like it is suppose to....
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Re: Blue Dot

Postby cannon » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:09 pm

Alright, here's what I'm coming up with from notes at hime:

BPI has published data for LBC 50 wads claiming a 1 1/4 oz shot charge over a 209A in a federal paper b/w hull with a 32 grain powder payload running 1,420 @ 10,500 psi. Somehow, I doubt that MV, but I'm gonna chrono a few to say I did.

They also published data suggesting that the same 32 grain powder charge in a 2.75" top gun using a 209A will push a 1 1/8 oz LBC43 payload to 1,500 @ 11,000 psi.

Strangely enough, BPI also published data for their MM1230 listing a 36-grain blue dot load in a 3" federal plastic b/w hull using a W209 that only pushes a 1 1/8 oz payload to 1,380 at 11,200 psi.

Lyman's 5th has a top gun load claiming 1293 FPS @ 11,500 psi using a W209, MM was, and 30 gr. blue dot.

It also has a 3" paper b\w load in 1 1/8 oz (PR123 wad) running 1433 @ 10,300 psi using a 209A and 37 gr. Blue Dot, and the same hull employing a W209 and 38 grains with a tuwsbl32/CSD0118 at running 1395 @ 11,000 psi.

Here's where it gets funny: Lyman's ALSO lists a Remington 3" hull, PR123, 32 gr. blue dot, W209, 1 1/8 oz shot, gets you 1433 @ 11,000 psi.

Same manual, 3" Cheddite, W209, 38 gr. blue dot, CSD0118, 1380 @ 10,600 psi.
3" Cheddite, W209, 35 gr. Blue Dot, PR123, 1 1/8 oz shot, 1,345 @ 11,000

Velocities and pressures kinda seem to be all over the board. Guess I'm gonna have to spend some time with that chrono.
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Re: Blue Dot

Postby cannon » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:20 pm

Edit: some of the above loads that I'm giving Lyman's credit for may not have come from that manual. My copy of Lyman's is at the farm, and I'm working from the notes I have at home.
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Re: Blue Dot

Postby lostknife4 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:24 pm

Now here's my kind of a guy!!
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Re: Blue Dot

Postby steelshotshooter » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:27 pm

That's why I spent a ton of money years ago on pressure test equipment. I can machine my own barrels and if I want a true PRESSURE TEST READING, I hook up a barrel, drop in a load, fire it off, and if pressure look good (safe) I'll shoot 10 identical loads and if everything is consistent and within "my" self imposed pressure limits of 10,800 or less, I will shoot it...

I have tested several loads from BPI and others and some pressure tests are spot on, a few are lower than listed and more than a few are WAY over book listed pressures....
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Re: Blue Dot

Postby baltz526 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:54 pm

They also published data suggesting that the same 32 grain powder charge in a 2.75" top gun using a 209A will push a 1 1/8 oz LBC43 payload to 1,500 @ 11,000 psi.
This load at 31.5gr which is where I set my powder measure. is a very good patterning load with #3 steel, but My chronograph reads 1291fps average. A very consistent velocity load.
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Re: Blue Dot

Postby cannon » Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:04 pm

baltz526 wrote:
They also published data suggesting that the same 32 grain powder charge in a 2.75" top gun using a 209A will push a 1 1/8 oz LBC43 payload to 1,500 @ 11,000 psi.
This load at 31.5gr which is where I set my powder measure. is a very good patterning load with #3 steel, but My chronograph reads 1291fps average. A very consistent velocity load.


I thought 1,500 sounded awfully high. I'm not afraid of 1291 FPS. 1300-1400 is where I like em, and 10fps is the equivalent of a sneeze. I'll definitely try that one.

The data I'm consuming suggests that blue dot powder likes 209A's. Am I wrong in this assessment, gents?
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Re: Blue Dot

Postby steelshotshooter » Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:10 pm

All of my Blue Dot loads use Federal 209A primers....
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Re: Blue Dot

Postby baltz526 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:35 pm

The win209 lights it off well in the page 299 lyman load. I have shot the same load with the RIO primer and get the same velocity.
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Re: Blue Dot

Postby goosepit2007 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:23 pm

fed gold medal
win209
34.5 grains blue dot
rsi wad 23/4 inch wad
1oz shot
1450 fps
10500lup

fed gold medal
fed209a
30.5 grains blue dot
mm wad spacers as needed
1oz
1375 fps
11,200 psi

3Inch winchester white(red) plastic base
fed209a
30 grains blue dot
3 inch mm wad filler as needed
11/8 oz steel
1350 fps
11,500 psi

rem 3 inch platic base yellow/black
fed209a
29.5 grains blue dot
mm wad filler as needed
11/8 oz steel shot
1350 fps
11,000

fed 3inch paper base/estate
fed 209a
33 grains blue dot(32.5 grains with plastic one piece fed hull 11,700 psi)
11/8oz steel shot
mm wad felt as needed
1375 fps
10900 lup


cheddite 3inch hull
fed209a
29 grains blue dot
11/8 oz steel shot
mm wad felt spacers as needed
1330 fps
11,400 psi


23/4 inch fed paper base
fed209a
34 grains blue dot
mm 23/4 wad
1oz steel shot 1375 fps
11700psi

then rsi 59-63 loads all have blue dot powder and were very good loads too.


maybe some of these will help you out, I do have some 11/4 loads with blue dot but they only go 1230-1250 fps.
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Re: Blue Dot

Postby cannon » Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:39 pm

Good intel. Thanks.
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Re: Blue Dot

Postby Blackcloud870 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:52 pm

Sorry to but in here fellas (new guy), but I was just researching blue dot loads today, and everything I've found suggests* Magnum primers since BlueDot is supposedly a slow burning powder? Is that necessary only with Magnum loads ie 1-3/8oz and above?
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Re: Blue Dot

Postby cannon » Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:11 pm

Blackcloud870 wrote:Sorry to but in here fellas (new guy), but I was just researching blue dot loads today, and everything I've found suggests* Magnum primers since BlueDot is supposedly a slow burning powder? Is that necessary only with Magnum loads ie 1-3/8oz and above?
What am I missing here?



Dan, brother. Glad you're still alive. Suggestions for magnum primers is based on the composition of the powder, which is highly retarded to ensure slower ignition, which amounts to a way to slow the burn curve so that pressures don't spike. Because of that, they usually call for a fast, hot primer, which certainly would include 209A's. BT justice is the powder guy, and he'll correct me where I'm wrong, but I think that's the gist of it.

That said, you'll see a bunch of older load data calling for 1oz payloads using blue dot. Works well for 1oz lead loads in 20 gauge, too, although, in my opinion, Longshot is better.
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Re: Blue Dot

Postby goosepit2007 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:32 pm

i will add if you do not have hotter primer when temps drop they will be very dirty burners!!
like below 25 degrees type stuff, up north here we get that right away in november, sometimes october.
hotter primers takes that part away, well best that it can be for proper burn of blue dot powder.


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Re: Blue Dot

Postby Theduckguru » Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:51 pm

Blue Dot was too dirty for me back in the lead days, but knock yourself out.
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Re: Blue Dot

Postby Swamp Gas » Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:08 am

I load a 1 3/8oz load of lead #4's in an STS hull. It is in an Alliant book that is currently lost. I THINK 35ish grains BD, a fiocchi primer and RP12 wad. Unker 10k Psi and reported over 1300fps. I use them occasionally for late season ditch chickens,
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Re: Blue Dot

Postby 3200 man » Fri Mar 07, 2014 7:11 am

Cannon

If you keep this up , your Neurologist is going to have you looking at that Blue Dot on the wall in the padded room , again ? :huh:
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